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VA Tech students under fire: Why didn't someone stop Cho?
Town Hall ^ | 4/26/2007 | W. Thomas Smith, Jr

Posted on 04/26/2007 11:57:24 AM PDT by Uncledave

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To: conserv8ive1

You know, I thought how I’d deal with the situation if he burst into my class - reacting instantly, leaping over the desks and chairs and dead bodies, with just enough lateral moves to throw off his aim, winging my notebook into his face, somehow not throwing like a girl, covering this 25-foot obstacle course in a couple seconds, tackling him low, and taking him out. I’m sure I could do it. /s

Mrs VS


21 posted on 04/26/2007 12:17:49 PM PDT by VeritatisSplendor
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To: Uncledave

I have it on good authority from a handful of Freepers in other threads that these students were all cowards or sheep. For some, that appears to be the only explanation possible. Sad.


22 posted on 04/26/2007 12:17:52 PM PDT by gracesdad
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To: twigs
These desks are awkward enough to get into and out of without a gunmen in front shooting at you.

I agree. Not to mention the fact that Cho hit the front row first, probably creating a mess of chairs, desks and (I apologize) bodies that would have been impossible for anyone to get over in time to charge him effectively.

23 posted on 04/26/2007 12:18:11 PM PDT by The Blitherer ("What the devil is keeping the Yanks?")
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To: Uncledave

Actually I think it is worth noting the heroics were from older more mature persons. I am thinking of the two professors who blocked doors to let students live.


24 posted on 04/26/2007 12:18:49 PM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: Uncledave
“It’s easy to Monday-morning quarterback ...”

Agreed. Bravado is cheap (and, therefore, plentiful) when one is twelve days and hundreds of miles removed from the scene.

25 posted on 04/26/2007 12:19:41 PM PDT by riverdawg
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To: SF Republican

“Maybe because he had automatic weapons and they did not want to get shot; I am just guessing.”

He didn’t have automatic weapons. I would imagine they didn’t want to get shot though.

Most liberals don’t understand there are sometimes no good answers. They got shot anyway. The one professor at least stood up and tried to keep the guy from entering the room. He obviously save several lives and lost his own.


26 posted on 04/26/2007 12:20:56 PM PDT by driftdiver
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To: AppyPappy
They did charge him. He gunned them down.

I think you're probably right, but even if none charged, so what? They were unarmed and totally unprepared to face a determined killer. Anyone who casts aspersions on the courage or character of any student who didn't charge this murderer can go stuff themselves.

27 posted on 04/26/2007 12:21:18 PM PDT by pgkdan (Tolerance is the virtue of the man without convictions - G.K. Chesterton)
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To: Uncledave
Why didn’t some of the students rush Cho? Why didn’t someone tackle and disarm him?

I still remember how heavy my textbooks were. If everyone had thrown them at Cho he might have been distracted long enough for a bum rush to succeed.

28 posted on 04/26/2007 12:21:49 PM PDT by AlaskaErik (Run, Fred, run!)
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To: SoCalRight

Amen. You’re absolutely right. Very few of us on this board have ever had a weapon intentionally fired at them, and probably wouldn’t have done anything differently. The reality is far from the second-guessing or armchair quarterbacking.


29 posted on 04/26/2007 12:22:36 PM PDT by Stoigo
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To: driftdiver
The one professor at least stood up and tried to keep the guy from entering the room. He obviously save several lives and lost his own.

He saved his entire class. Not one of his students perished thanks to his courage and selflessness. May God Bless him!

30 posted on 04/26/2007 12:23:09 PM PDT by pgkdan (Tolerance is the virtue of the man without convictions - G.K. Chesterton)
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To: twigs

Not really.
He entered several classrooms.
You can’t tell me no one heard the shots from the hallway and the first classroom.

Reality sucks but it is what it is.


31 posted on 04/26/2007 12:23:40 PM PDT by conserv8ive1 (Rudy and the Bots...blasting off to oblivion.)
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To: SoCalRight
The author seems to enjoy a little too much phrases like “field of fire” and “tactical variables” and “fire superiority.”

How can one tell from this tactical evaluation what its author "enjoys" or not about the situation?

At least this author is dealing factually with the situation. If I am required to state my own emotional reaction to this article, I think of the word "refreshing."

Emotional evaluations have become the norm in this wussified culture. Little bleating sheep, we feel your pain.

32 posted on 04/26/2007 12:25:40 PM PDT by thulldud ("Para inglés, oprima el dos.")
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To: AlaskaErik

Some of my textbooks could have knocked him out if he were hit in the head. They are as heavy as bricks!


33 posted on 04/26/2007 12:25:40 PM PDT by FarRightFanatic ("I'm Barack Hussein Obama...and I approved this taqiyya.")
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To: Uncledave

“Why didn’t some of the students rush Cho?”

Aren’t students told to abhor violence? Aren’t we all told to hold hands, give up our guns, love our multiculturalist society and sing, “kumbayah”?


34 posted on 04/26/2007 12:27:00 PM PDT by 353FMG (I never met a liberal I didn't dislike.)
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To: Uncledave
I wonder if Cho would have undertaken this course of action at all.... had the rules of engagement been different (CCW)...

AND....

...If he knew that concealed-carry was (should have been) lawful on this campus --

Had he known that someone was more than likely odds-on to confront him with deadly force - and the willingness to use it in defense -- before this became a massacre...

I s'pect he might have taken a different tack....perhaps reconsidered his course of action....

In the very least the death toll would have been much less...
(The perp would have bceome a statistic much sooner on the timeline....)

JMHO...

35 posted on 04/26/2007 12:28:53 PM PDT by Wings-n-Wind (The answers remain available; Wisdom is obtained by asking all the right questions!)
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To: SF Republican
Why didn’t some of the students rush Cho? -
Maybe because he had automatic weapons and they did not want to get shot; I am just guessing.

Well, I'm not guessing - they were all shot anyway.
The only survivors feigned death, and were shot multiple times.

36 posted on 04/26/2007 12:35:09 PM PDT by Publius6961 (MSM: Israelis are killed by rockets; Lebanese are killed by Israelis.)
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To: conserv8ive1

Yes, they DID hear the shots. But they thought it was construction. And I think some did try to get out the windows, which was the best way to get out considering a gunmen was waiting for them at the door. My husband used to teach there and he tells me that the windows are strange. Long and narrow and would be hard to get out of.


37 posted on 04/26/2007 12:36:37 PM PDT by twigs
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To: Uncledave

I agree. I originally thought the same way as you.


38 posted on 04/26/2007 12:40:54 PM PDT by metesky ("Brethren, leave us go amongst them." Rev. Capt. Samuel Johnston Clayton - Ward Bond- The Searchers)
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To: SoCalRight
The guy is a former active Marine. His life was to categorically assess situations like this and act accordingly. To understand it in these terms may help save lives in the future. A Freeper has as a tag line, "Be polite, be friendly, but have a plan to kill everyone you meet." Sounds morbidly funny but there is truth to it.
39 posted on 04/26/2007 12:41:16 PM PDT by stevio ((NRA))
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To: AppyPappy
They did charge him. He gunned them down.

There have been no reports of such actions anywhere. Can you provide a link where this has been definitively shown? In fact, when so ordered, those little lost SHEEP obediently lined up against a wall so they could be executed at close range. Whose fault is that (besides Cho)? Ours. Society failed those kids. We have collectively failed to teach the difference between good and bad violence. Instead we accept and promulgate the false premise that ALL violence is bad and anybody who desires to survive an emergency like this by using controlled focused violence is also bad....What we may be seeing if this trend continues is a sort of natural selection in the species at work.

40 posted on 04/26/2007 12:42:44 PM PDT by ExSoldier (Democracy is 2 wolves and a lamb voting on dinner. Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote.)
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