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Is There Writing on the Wall?
Washington Times via RCP ^ | 4/25/2007 | Tony Blankley

Posted on 04/25/2007 8:08:30 AM PDT by Obadiah

Watching (and participating in) the intense Iraq War and War on Terror debate both in the United States and in Europe -- and the politics that flows from it, a sense of futility is increasingly hard to resist. Our nation and Europe seem to have hardened in their divisions on those topics.

It would appear that the great divide in both public opinion and between politicians is not Republican-Democrat, liberal-conservative, pro or anti-Bush, or even pro or anti-war (or, in Europe: pro-or anti-American). Rather, the great divide is between those, such as me, who believe that the rise of radical Islam poses an existential threat to Western Civilization; and those who believe it is a nuisance, if, episodically, a very dangerous nuisance.

(Excerpt) Read more at realclearpolitics.com ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs
KEYWORDS: waronterror; wot
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To: Defiant

Agree with your post completely. Very, very well stated. Especially the comments about Hillary’s caginess on the war. Yes, believe it or not I told my husband something along those very lines recently... she DOES want to win the war, she DOES understand the threat, and she will pervert and incorporate it into her socialist utopian gameplan. I am already asking myself if I can truly, without malice, support her as my commander-in-chief. (I have not yet received a reply from self.)


21 posted on 04/25/2007 9:16:58 AM PDT by Sally
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To: PhilDragoo

L.O.L.....Is that a banana in your hat or our you just happy to see me?


22 posted on 04/25/2007 9:46:08 AM PDT by AngelesCrestHighway
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To: PhilDragoo

L.O.L.....Is that a banana in your hat or are you just happy to see me?


23 posted on 04/25/2007 9:47:42 AM PDT by AngelesCrestHighway
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To: Obadiah

If a Democratic takes residence in the White House in 2009, you won’t hear anyone in the MSM lamenting ‘How divided the country is,’ nor will you see any polls from Europe that are not favorable.


24 posted on 04/25/2007 9:50:28 AM PDT by Ieatfrijoles (Incinerate Riyadh Now.(Request shot splash))
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To: billhilly
let us hope that Harry Reid will be visiting there

He was already saved by a group of Americans whose rallying cry was "Let's Roll !" when the Capitol Building was targeted by Islamicists.

Too bad his response to their heroism is "Let's Quit!"

25 posted on 04/25/2007 11:30:13 AM PDT by happygrl (Dunderhead for HONOR)
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To: Defiant
WHAT YOU SAID!

Excellent!

26 posted on 04/25/2007 11:34:15 AM PDT by happygrl (Dunderhead for HONOR)
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To: PhilDragoo; devolve; ntnychik; bitt; Obadiah; manic4organic; AngelesCrestHighway
  "How dare the media call it "Bush's War on Terror? It's our war -- and it was started by the radical Islamists -- not by us. Where will it all stop?"

It won't be stopped by "Tutti-Frutti" Hillary or her cohorts - they will be the 'enablers' of the spread of islam.


Carmen Miranda - The Brazilian Bombshell - the lady in the tutti-frutti hat. She was the country's [United States] highest-paid entertainer for several years in the 1940s.

Ahhh, 'echos of Little Richard'!

 
27 posted on 04/25/2007 12:08:37 PM PDT by potlatch (Forgiveness is the fragrance the violet sheds on the heel that has crushed it. M.Twain)
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To: Defiant

BTTT!


28 posted on 04/25/2007 12:10:44 PM PDT by SE Mom (Proud mom of an Iraq war combat vet & FredFan)
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To: billhilly
Should that happen, let us hope that Harry Reid will be visiting there, wherever there is.

If you're going to fantasize, don't stop there. Lets make it a delegation of Reid, Pelosi, Schmucky, Hillary...etc. And by the way, feel free to add to the list of those whose vaporization would make for an improvment in the realm of politics.
29 posted on 04/25/2007 12:16:16 PM PDT by mutley
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To: Defiant
Bumping what you've said. The Donks are always claiming that they supported the fight in Afghanistan (well, all of them except Barbara Lee) but that Iraq is a "distraction" from the real fight. Of course, the "real fight" is not Afghanistan, but the larger effort against terrorism-and, let's face it, deny them Afghanistan or anywhere else and terrorists can just pick up and move (that is unless you make it clear to potential hosts that we are serious and that there will be a price to pay for supporting our enemies). Thus, Afghanistan was only ever the first move in a long campaign but no Dhimmicrat will ever say what they think the next move should have been-despite the fact that a good many of them voted for the war in Iraq.

Bush deserves a lot of the blame for how things went south by not being prepared for the occupation and for letting the Dhims win the PR war, but the behavior of the left has been absolutely shameless in this whole matter.

30 posted on 04/25/2007 12:37:16 PM PDT by 91B (God made man, Sam Colt made men equal)
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To: happygrl

Well said.


31 posted on 04/25/2007 3:24:12 PM PDT by billhilly (My former tag line.)
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To: MizSterious
Tony is right. Welcome to the beginning of World War III.

These same dynamics played out in World War II (and to some degree in every major war). The difference is the tolerance level for death and destruction. The Nirvana-ites are able to blissfully look past the death and destruction of Islamo Fascism and focus on their little dream worlds. Just as many did when Hitler started grabbing up major parts of Europe and rounding up his version of the infidels. Those already alarmed are simply more aware of the death and destruction, more empathic and less self absorbed, and so our alarm bells have gone off earlier. The Nirvana-ites need to feel the loss personally before it becomes reality. The rest of us do not need so much emphasis to want to stop the injustices. Tony’s piece has a very down tone. He cannot understand, after years of being at this, why the positions have hardened. The Nirvana-ites will not let go of their dreams easily. They fear the reality that awaits. They become partially fanaticized in their efforts to wish reality was not as brutal and evil as it is. And they cannot fathom a force worse than their political opposition (because face it, that is the decision they have to come to). So are we at a stalemate?

Tony forgets one player in this repeat of history - the Islamo Fascists. Just like Hitler and Tojo had ample opportunities to stop their march and control their conquests, they failed at self control. The jihadists have a fantasy too. They see themselves as forcing their views on everyone so now they can be the top of the food chain. They cannot stop themselves. They must continue to consume and destroy to survive (and go to Allah has bloody heroes). So we will not stay at a stalemate position for long. Reality will intrude. The Islamo Fascists will go to far, so far even the Nirvana-ites will finally awake from their stupor, and the war will be waged seriously. The question is: how numb are the Nirvana-ites to death and suffering? How much damage will the Islamo-Fascists wage, and how far will they get, before the world finally wakes up all the way? The media, if it was doing its job, could help by simply reporting the complete set of facts. Primarily the ones where the terrorists are the bad guys and the successes we are having across Iraq show the alternative to the killings. But the media is chock full of Nirvana-ites who are simply too dazzled with their fat paychecks to feel the damage being done by the fanatics.

We are at the tipping point. It is just a matter of how long we sit here and let things run out of control.

Posted by AJStrata on Wednesday, April 25th, 2007 at 7:48 am.

32 posted on 04/26/2007 3:02:25 AM PDT by Cannoneer No. 4 (Civilian Irregular Information Defense Group -- Distributed IO and counter-propaganda)
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To: Cannoneer No. 4; intenseracer; 2ndDivisionVet; Lurker; roaddog727; Tainan; AliVeritas; ...

Radigan’s Raiders pinglist—if you want on or off, let me know via Freepmail!


33 posted on 04/26/2007 7:15:07 AM PDT by MizSterious (Anonymous sources often means "the voices in my head told me.")
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To: Cannoneer No. 4
From your quote: "The question is: how numb are the Nirvana-ites to death and suffering? " That's the scary thing--if the reactions at the recent attack at VT is any indication, the populace (not including one Holocaust survivor) is pretty numb. The people of this country are taught (brainwashed) NOT to defend themselves, and that is a problem.
34 posted on 04/26/2007 7:20:03 AM PDT by MizSterious (Anonymous sources often means "the voices in my head told me.")
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To: MizSterious

Brainwashing is a psychological operation, as will be deprogamming, which must occur if this nation-state we call America is to survive.


35 posted on 04/26/2007 8:48:46 AM PDT by Cannoneer No. 4 (Civilian Irregular Information Defense Group -- Distributed IO and counter-propaganda)
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To: Cannoneer No. 4

bump


36 posted on 04/26/2007 10:39:00 PM PDT by Tainan (Talk is cheap. Silence is golden. All I got is brass...lotsa brass.)
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