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To: Ultra Sonic 007
Obviously, a well-regulated militia is one that is trained well.

Why is that at all obvious? Well-regulated could also mean certain specifications for their weapons. It could mean physically fit and a clear assumption that they know how to shoot.

The definition of "regulated" is as ambiguous and multi-faceted as "militia". Whereas I am convined that "militia" is essentially everyone. I still am not sure what "regulated" actually implies. It isn't there for fun. It is not like the 2nd amendment is an exercise in verbosity. It has a well thought out place and meaning.

47 posted on 04/25/2007 3:41:14 AM PDT by Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit (I don't care what side of the debate you are on: Weather is not Climate)
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To: Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit

Perhaps I was a bit too hasty in just throwing out “trained”, as though it only applied to physical fitness.

By “trained well”, I mean a militia that has good combat organizational skills (can work cohesively as a squad in battle), can shoot accurately, repair their respective weapons, are physically fit, and so on.


49 posted on 04/25/2007 4:26:16 AM PDT by Ultra Sonic 007 (Why vote for Duncan Hunter in 2008? Look at my profile.)
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To: Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit
Well-regulated could also mean certain specifications for their weapons. It could mean physically fit and a clear assumption that they know how to shoot.
The definition of "regulated" is as ambiguous and multi-faceted as "militia". Whereas I am convined that "militia" is essentially everyone. I still am not sure what "regulated" actually implies.
It isn't there for fun. It is not like the 2nd amendment is an exercise in verbosity. It has a well thought out place and meaning.

"-- A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed. --"


Eini; -- if only "well regulated" members of the militia are able to bear arms, are they any different from the army that has no opposition from an unarmed populace?

Your concern about the wording 'well regulated' is misplaced. -- In context - as was noted; "-- a well regulated militia is one that is trained well. --"

Why should the term imply anything beyond its obvious and well thought out meaning? -- Better yet, do you ~want~ it to imply something more?

51 posted on 04/25/2007 4:53:21 AM PDT by tpaine (" My most important function on the Supreme Court is to tell the majority to take a walk." -Scalia)
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To: Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit
The old dictionary at the time defined it as “in good working order”.
Think about it this way. There was no bureaucracy in those days with mountains of paperwork and regulations. The only requirement for a militia man was his age and showing up with a rifle or musket, powder and ball.
52 posted on 04/25/2007 5:08:15 AM PDT by Shooter 2.5 (NRA - Hunter '08)
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To: Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit
I still am not sure what "regulated" actually implies. It isn't there for fun.

Concur. But here is one particularly relevant meaning from that period.


72 posted on 04/25/2007 7:54:08 AM PDT by archy (Et Thybrim multo spumantem sanguine cerno. [from Virgil's *Aeneid*.])
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To: Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit; Ultra Sonic 007
"I still am not sure what "regulated" actually implies."

In the context of 18th century military-speak, the term "well-regulated" meant that each firearm has had its sights properly aligned, and that the owner knew how to properly load and fire his weapon.

84 posted on 04/25/2007 8:31:31 AM PDT by Designer II
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