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To: swain_forkbeard
So we have accepted a restriction on our Constitutionally-guaranteed right, haven’t we?

In the words of Native American Spokesman Tonto, What you mean *we*, white man?

Why is that?

Some people either never took a particular oath, never took it seriously if they did, or have perjured their oath:

"I, (NAME)(SSAN), having been appointed an officer in the Army of the United States, as indicated above in the grade of Major do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign or domestic, that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservations or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office upon which I am about to enter; So help me God."
(DA Form 71, 1 August 1959, for officers.)

What was the point of guaranteeing arms to the people, in the first place?

Per those who developed the Second Amendment:

James Madison, considered to be the Father of the Constitution, and the primary author of the Bill of Rights:

"The highest number to which, according to the best computation, a standing army can be carried in any country, does not exceed one hundredth part of the whole number of souls; or one twenty-fifth part of the number able to bear arms. This proportion would not yield, in the United States, an army of more than twenty-five or thirty thousand men. To these would be opposed a militia amounting to near half a million of citizens with arms in their hands, officered by men chosen from among themselves, fighting for the common liberties and united and conducted by governments possessing their affections and confidence.

--James Madison, Federalist No. 46, 1788

Patrick Henry:

"My great objection to this government is, that it does not leave us the means of defending our rights or of waging war against tyrants."

--Patrick Henry, Virginia's U.S. Constitution ratification convention, June 5,1788

Thomas Jefferson

-- Thomas Jefferson, Commonplace Book, 1774-1776

The Federalst Papers:

"In framing a government which is to be administered by men over men, the great difficulty lies in this: you must first enable the government to control the governed; and in the next place oblige it to control itself. A dependence on the people is, no doubt, the primary control on the government; but experience has taught mankind the necessity of auxiliary precautions."

Publius, Federalst Papers No. 51 Feb.8, 1788

Tenche Cox [supporting Madison's Bill of Rights] "Whereas civil rulers, not having their duty to the people duly before them, may attempt to tyrannize, and as military forces, which must be occasionally raised to defend our country, might pervert their power to the injury of their fellow citizens, the people are confirmed by the article in their right to keep and bear their private arms."

--Tench Coxe, Federal Gazette, June 18,1789, writing in support of the Madison's first draft of the Bill of Rights

100 posted on 04/25/2007 9:09:07 AM PDT by archy (Et Thybrim multo spumantem sanguine cerno. [from Virgil's *Aeneid*.])
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To: archy

So then the primary reason for the guarantees of the 2nd ammendment is to allow the citizenry of the United States to resist effectively an unpopular and tyrannical central government and its standing army.

So then would it not follow that the citizenry must be armed with arms which would allow it to resist effectively the arms of the standing army of the central government?


120 posted on 04/25/2007 11:48:39 AM PDT by swain_forkbeard (Rationality may not be sufficient, but it is necessary.)
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