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1 posted on 04/24/2007 7:13:10 PM PDT by Ultra Sonic 007
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2nd Amendment bump.


2 posted on 04/24/2007 7:14:31 PM PDT by Ultra Sonic 007 (Why vote for Duncan Hunter in 2008? Look at my profile.)
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Lets see. If it said:

“a free and truthful press, being required for a functioning state, the peoples right to speak and publish freely shall not be infringed”.

Even old lib dinosaurs like Laurence Tribe and Alan Dershowitz understand it is an individual right.


3 posted on 04/24/2007 7:16:59 PM PDT by pissant
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Liberals are looking for an emanation of a penumbra.


7 posted on 04/24/2007 7:28:08 PM PDT by FoxInSocks
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So if it helps some to understand we could call gun clubs militias
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10 posted on 04/24/2007 7:32:41 PM PDT by ThomasThomas
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own all the guns you want - just dont stop paying your property taxes


15 posted on 04/24/2007 7:36:14 PM PDT by Revelation 911
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2nd Amendment bump.


17 posted on 04/24/2007 7:38:47 PM PDT by B4Ranch ("Steer clear of entangling alliances with any portion of the foreign world." -George Washington-)
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A well regulated Militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the People to keep and bear Arms shall not be infringed.

That means that arms can be available in order to form a militia should it be needed. The right to bear arms insures that ability. It has nothing to do with sports. It has to do with domestic security. I've heard the argument that the idea was fine with muskets. But today the enemy would be armed with modern weapons and the people would have muzzle loaders. That wouldn't be a well regulated militia.

19 posted on 04/24/2007 7:38:59 PM PDT by oyez
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In Maryland, under its Constitution, there are 2 militias. The “organized” and the “unorganized” militias. The “organized” are under control of the state government in times of need only. No “standing” militia. The “unorganized” militia is EVERYONE ELSE.
This ruling came from a longtime gun grabber MD.AG Joe Curran.


20 posted on 04/24/2007 7:41:03 PM PDT by hophead ("Enjoy Every Sandwich")
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VERY nice !!!!


24 posted on 04/24/2007 7:46:20 PM PDT by Jeffrey_D. (Beer is living proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy. Benjamin Franklin)
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Another school of thought is that it was commonly known and accepted that the people already had the RKBA, but 2A was simply written to guarantee those same people that right also extended to forming militias.


25 posted on 04/24/2007 7:54:31 PM PDT by umgud ("When seconds count, the police are just 10 minutes away!")
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I always remember Granny Clampett grabbing her gun and wanting to “call out the state malitia” fondly. She knew what it was all about even if she did have a hair trigger.


28 posted on 04/24/2007 8:14:04 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Peace without victory is a temporary illusion.)
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To: Ultra Sonic 007

Those who are members of the militia are currently defined in Title 10, section 311. All men from 17 to 45, and with prior service to age 65, and women who are members of the National Guard.

A better consitutional definition would be in the Militia act of 1792. That is even broader.

But it is important to note that the founding fathers distinguished between the Militia and the People.

Still, I would like it if the definition of Militia was expanded to include, as a minimum, all married women 17 to 65, or mothers of a minor child. If they are not suitable for deployment to further public safety (offensive or defensive operations, or rescue work, they can at least defend themselves and their families so their husbands/sons can be available for deployment.


31 posted on 04/24/2007 8:29:29 PM PDT by donmeaker (You may not be interested in War but War is interested in you.)
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Nice work!!!


33 posted on 04/24/2007 8:36:16 PM PDT by dcwusmc (We need to make government so small that it can be drowned in a bathtub.)
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"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

People need to understand this version of the 2nd Amendment was a rough draft/unratified version. The ratified version has only one comma. If this were understood a lot of confusion would be avoided.

Discussed here:

http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a39388c210c1b.htm

Best regards,

35 posted on 04/24/2007 8:51:43 PM PDT by Copernicus (Mary Carpenter Speaks About Gun Control http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=7CCB40F421ED4819)
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The ‘smart’ people who support Gun Control - who are capable of reading and have read these statements have no excuse. They are, simply put, traitors to America who wish to see the people disarmed and tyranny empowered. The others who support it are ignorant dolts who follow the traitors like sheep heading for the slaughter.
39 posted on 04/24/2007 9:47:14 PM PDT by wodinoneeye
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To: Ultra Sonic 007
Good post.

Unfortunately, such logic and historical reference is totally irrelevant to the "Brady Bunch" and their various cohorts.

Regards

40 posted on 04/24/2007 9:48:55 PM PDT by Tinman (Yankee by birth, Texan by Choice..."Support the Troops" shouldn't be just a bumper sticker)
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Liberals are collectivists. Conservatives are individualists. At least in their view of state power and the threat it poses to liberty.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

41 posted on 04/24/2007 10:55:37 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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“A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

no matter how people try to mangle this, no matter how they try to say the comma are to allow you to inhale (gasp!), the above statement means...you can own a gun and NO ONE can take that right from you.

people have the right to bear arms. you may not like it. you can cross reference as many statements as you like from the forefathers..the CONSTITUTION SAYS, you have the right to bear arms and IT SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED.

read it and buy a gun, or read it and weep...either way, you have a choice.

oh and by the way, i live in a country where they are banned..and if you think for ONE MINUTE that banning guns will stop gun crime...you have an incredibly childlike and simplistic view of criminality...the only people until recently who were unarmed here were honest citizens...something i would like to change. if someone breaks into my house now...i have no ability to defend my family and even the law provides limited protection for any action i can take. the burgular has more rights! that is the slippery slope you are on, my friend...

bearing arms has a cost, but so does loosing the right to have them. stop trying to paint a gunless nirvana ...it doesnt exist...


42 posted on 04/24/2007 11:24:17 PM PDT by Irishguy (How do ya LIKE THOSE APPLES!!!!)
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Applying logic to the second amendment could only leave one conclusion: individual citizens have the right to bear arms. Why would any country with a standing army pass an amendment that would "secure" the firearms of it's citizens in one location wherein the contents (firearms) would normally be unavailable except in an emergency. And who defines emergency?

The answer is that it wouldn't. I'm sure the founders would fall down laughing at the libs who insist that all guns should be held in some sort of contained facility. Given what the fathers knew about tyranny and how we became independent, I doubt they would endorse some plan to take away the firearms of it's citizens...many of whom used firearms to secure food and for protection. The idea of a central holding tank for the guns of the country's citizens is ludicrous on the surface.

45 posted on 04/25/2007 2:23:08 AM PDT by driftless2
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It amazes (amuses?) me when the gun grabbers try to convince us that the government needed an amendment to the constitution to guarantee itself the right to keep and bear arms.


48 posted on 04/25/2007 3:48:14 AM PDT by deaconjim (Because He lives...)
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