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US gender pay gap emerges early, study finds
Reuters ^ | 04/23/07 | Ellen Wulfhorst

Posted on 04/23/2007 6:58:28 AM PDT by presidio9

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To: taxed2death
you conveniently left out what happens when women take the same courses as men.....their wages are still lower

I don't think GPA'S are all that significant...and getting a good job does take more than just academic smarts...

but it is laughable that some freepers are so insecure that they have to attack this study....

61 posted on 04/23/2007 12:31:44 PM PDT by cherry
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To: presidio9

b.s.

warren farrell in “the myth of male power” demonstrated years ago that

men generally work MORE hours,

thus, getting the higher paid jobs.

women generally take jobs close to home and school,

and women work FEWER hours,

thereby lowering their pay.

farrell was v.p. of n.o.w. until he published a book showing up their lies.

also, see: warren farrell “why men earn more, father and child reunion ...”


62 posted on 04/23/2007 12:45:17 PM PDT by ken21 (it takes a village to brainwash your child + to steal your property! /s)
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To: cherry
as opposed to the endless male cry sessions with titles such as "The War against Boys"...talk about your fiction....

I dont understand why you would characterize that book as an "endless male cry session." Its author is female and its contents are fact-based.

If you can be more specific as to what you find fictional, I might be able to give a more substantive response.

63 posted on 04/23/2007 1:15:59 PM PDT by freespirited
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To: cherry
you conveniently left out what happens when women take the same courses as men.....their wages are still lower

We've been seeing these studies for decades. When all the variables that might matter--hours worked, experience, job description, etc--are accounted for, there is very little difference between the sexes. How this group came to such a different result is truly curious.

If it were so easy to pay women less for the same work, employers would have a huge incentive to favor women, thereby making more profit than if they hired men for the same jobs.

64 posted on 04/23/2007 1:24:43 PM PDT by freespirited
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To: wbill
"Tired old argument"

Agreed. I mentioned this inconvenient truth (a real one) to two of my sisters one time. They both vehemently disagreed (naturally) and insisted that male managers would rather run their businesses into the ground than promote and pay equal rates to equally competent women. I scoffed knowing that both sisters make considerably more than me. They simply don't want to accept the fact that by nature men are for more likely to accept unpleasant tasks and take more risks to make money. Plus men have ON AVERAGE an aptitude for certain lucrative professions that most women don't have. That's human nature, and it can't be changed by government edicts.

65 posted on 04/23/2007 2:17:30 PM PDT by driftless2
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To: presidio9
I guess women should have been better at negotiating their wage. Clear that up and the problem solves itself.
66 posted on 04/23/2007 4:40:30 PM PDT by MooseMan
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To: driftless2
insisted that male managers would rather run their businesses into the ground than promote and pay equal rates to equally competent women

If this is the case, then all companies would be staffed completely by women at the upper ranks, because all of the male-run companies would be out of business.

Now...100 years ago this would not have been the case, but there are enough female-run companies, and they've been in business long enough, for the Darwinistic laws of Capitalism to take over. For instance, when you go to WalMart and buy something, do you know whether or not the thing was made by a male-run, or a female-run company? Generally, I would think not. And WalMart doesn't care, they only want to get you that thing for the lowest price and highest markup possible.

In this real-world scenario, poorly run businesses fail quickly.

Feminists with no understanding of economics irritate the heck out of me. :-)

67 posted on 04/24/2007 6:21:11 AM PDT by wbill
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To: Wuli; All

“Women’s pay” is a statistic, it is averages, statistical averages that do not consider choices that women make - field of study choices, job choices, career choices and family choices.

The people that love their own negative view of these statistics will never be satisfied until:

(1) there are no more families,
(2) the state takes care of all children,
(3) everyone is single and responsible for themselves,
(4) 50% of every profession and every kind of job is held by men and 50% by women,
(6) all salaries are set by law,
(5) and everyone is restricted in their education, job and reproductive choices so that society does not lose that wonderful “equality”.


68 posted on 04/24/2007 3:34:00 PM PDT by Wuli
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To: wbill
"women at the upper ranks"

When I proposed that economic reality to my very liberal sister (who makes eight times as much as I do), she sneered. She just didn't want to believe it. She's a director at a major corporation with no college degree, yet she makes a ton of money. And she thinks women are being discriminated against. I should add that she's very intelligent, and deserves what she makes. But women like my sister want to believe that they're victims. They want to believe in the patriarchy and that there's some sort of male prejudice that holds them down. Even when they've become, like my two sisters, filthy rich working in a supposedly anti-female environment.

69 posted on 04/25/2007 1:25:54 AM PDT by driftless2
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To: MrB
"rid of them"

It has come to my knowledge that after close to sixty years on this planet that we will never be rid of liberals. For this reason: there are two types of people, ones who look at a glass and see it half full (that would be conservatives) and those who look at a glass and see it half empty (that would be liberals).

Liberals are NEVER! happy. Never satisfied. Never. There is always some injustice something that the forces that be who are always plotting against the "oppressed" and the "unfortunate" and "it's just not fair". I've come to that conclusion in part from discussing life with my three liberal sisters. Who all have far more money than me, but who are forever complaining about the unfairness OF EVERYTHING! And naturally they're all strong liberal Democrats.

70 posted on 04/25/2007 1:35:09 AM PDT by driftless2
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To: cherry
"insecure"

If you have been on this forum for a period of time, you should know that any studies supposedly revealing "discrimination" will be attacked. And should be. Like this study. Every study should be critiqued. And if it can't stand up to criticism, it should never have been made in the first place. Nobody, including me, is denying that a certain amount of prejudice exists against women in the marketplace. But there are now countless female millionaires and even a few billionaires. What all the female whiners should do is then start their own companies and see how things shake out. See if they can fix this terrible discrimination problem. (smirk)

71 posted on 04/25/2007 1:45:35 AM PDT by driftless2
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To: pierrem15
"Even so, one year after graduation, a pay gap turned up between women and men who studied the same fields."

According to the language in this article, it doesn't say they compared pay for men and women head to head in the same jobs, it doesn't even say they compared those with the same level of education.

It just says they compared men and women who studied in the same fields.

72 posted on 04/25/2007 1:52:24 AM PDT by Bob J (nks)
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