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Democrats Weigh Post-Veto Iraq Options
Guardian ^ | April 22, 2007 | ANNE FLAHERTY

Posted on 04/22/2007 5:14:36 PM PDT by Sleeping Beauty

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41 posted on 04/22/2007 6:07:51 PM PDT by gov_bean_ counter ( Who is the Democrat's George Galloway?)
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To: freema

Thanks for posting that, freema.

FR forced me to excerpt from the Guardian. You’ve shown me how to get around that, by posting the rest in a comment. Thanks. I wanted to post the Murtha stuff, too.


43 posted on 04/22/2007 6:21:53 PM PDT by Sleeping Beauty
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To: freema

Thanks for the alert...I just sent you fr mail.


44 posted on 04/22/2007 6:24:14 PM PDT by lilycicero (SSgt Wuterich and his squad don't make deals.)
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To: Sleeping Beauty

Thank you for the info. As much as I’d like to see the President veto the bill, if he can itemize his veto in the interest of time, I would expect that it’s what he would do.


45 posted on 04/22/2007 6:29:14 PM PDT by skr (Freedom is one of the deepest and noblest aspirations of the human spirit. -- Ronald Reagan)
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To: Sleeping Beauty; freema

Thanks to both of you for the posts. These dems are snakes!


46 posted on 04/22/2007 6:49:13 PM PDT by jazusamo (http://warchronicle.com/TheyAreNotKillers/DefendOurMarines.htm)
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To: jveritas
since it will fulfill what he and the troops wanted.

Let me tell you what THIS troop wants...

No more PC war. Lift the ridiculous ROE that makes us little more than pop-up targets in tiny FOB's behind the wire.

No more repeats of Operation Phantom Fury, where we informed the insurgents, "We have you surrounded, but we'll allow you 24 hours to pack your tents goats and women and leave". Pick a known insurgent nest and pave it. No warning, no questions asked.

Mosques are targets. They are safehouses, sniper OP's, and cell caches. They are not religious sites and are not worthy of anything but a Hellfire at the base of the minaret.

(/spleenvent off)

47 posted on 04/22/2007 6:52:39 PM PDT by Old Sarge (+ /_\)
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To: Sleeping Beauty; freema
For your information, this came in to Diana Irey's campaign last year. It was posted originally on The BlackFive website, and here's a link: Black Five: Murtha and the Marines

It's from a proud Marine who will remain anonymous:

....

I hesitate to jump into this election campaign because I actually know John Murtha and have respected, and appreciated his support of the military over the years. However, there are now three reasons that I have personal knowledge of, that cause me to question his judgment, his ethics, and his fitness.

The first goes back some fifteen years. Mr. Murtha was the Ranking Democratic Member of the Defense Appropriations Subcommittee, the subcommittee that funds everything in the military. Mr. Murtha used his position of considerable power to force the Marine Corps to establish a Marine Reserve detachment of AH-1W Cobra gunships at the airport located in Johnstown, Pennsylvania, which is his home town. The Marine Corps was actively opposed to placing a detachment there, and the only apparent reason for doing so was that Mr. Murtha had a son-in-law living in Johnstown who just happened to be a Marine Reservist and a Cobra pilot. So, in fact, he established a reserve detachment at considerable cost to the taxpayer solely for the purpose of giving his son in law a place to drill.

The second was his announcement that the war in Iraq is "unwinable" and that we should immediately withdraw. I don't know how others feel about such a pronouncement, but at a time when there are troops in the field, going in harm's way, I personnaly find such a statement to be all but treasonous.

The third was his most recent pronouncement that Marines were "guilty" of serious war crimes even while there was an on going investigation. In case Mr. Murtha has failed to read the Constitution, he should be advised that Americans are presumed to be innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. He has taken it upon himself to convict them in the court of public opinion without the benefit of a hearing. He has at least twice taken an oath "to support, defend, and protect the Constitution of the United States.." and yet he tramples upon the constitutional rights of these Marines for what certainly appears to be nothing more than his own political gain.

And, by the way, if I were defense counsel to any of these Haditha Marines, if and when they are actually charged with a violation of the UCMJ, I would certainly consider raising undue command influence in the case. How can the accused, if there is an accused at some point, get a fair proceeding with the Commandant of the Marine Corps providing senior members of Congress with information that they then use to trumpet the Marine's guilt before the media. How badly does THAT abuse thier right to a fair trial?

I've known far too many great Marine officers and noncommissioned officers who have literaly given up their lives to protect their Marines, so I cannot accept Murtha's conduct. He has placed personal gain and personal agrandizement above all else, and by doing so, he has lost the respect of Marines everywhere.

Marine6-Semper Fi

48 posted on 04/22/2007 7:47:01 PM PDT by smoothsailing ("Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction"--President Ronald Reagan)
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To: jazusamo; Sleeping Beauty; smoothsailing

Rep. John Murtha, D-Pa., who chairs the House panel that oversees military funding, said he wants a bill that would fund the war for just two or three months.


49 posted on 04/22/2007 9:20:14 PM PDT by freema (Marine FRiend, 1stCuz2xRemoved, Mom, Aunt, Sister, Friend, Wife, Daughter, Niece)
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To: Dog

and the pork. Defeatocrats don’t have the votes.


50 posted on 04/22/2007 9:21:22 PM PDT by Tarpon
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To: jazusamo; Sleeping Beauty; smoothsailing

``We don’t want to throw in the towel,’’ said Moran, D-Va. ``The problem is (Bush) is willing to play chicken with funding the troops and we aren’t. We just aren’t going to take a chance (the Pentagon) will run out of funding for the troops.’’


51 posted on 04/22/2007 9:21:51 PM PDT by freema (Marine FRiend, 1stCuz2xRemoved, Mom, Aunt, Sister, Friend, Wife, Daughter, Niece)
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To: freema
freema -- Do you think that limited funding has a chance? Hmmm. Maybe it does. It just means that Bush has to come back to congress more frequently.

Perhaps it might get more support, since it does not require any benchmarks. It might be harder for Bush to veto.

52 posted on 04/22/2007 9:41:48 PM PDT by Sleeping Beauty
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To: smoothsailing

Murtha made a lot of enemies. That makes him an ineffective congressman. This is clearly the end of his career.


53 posted on 04/22/2007 9:44:31 PM PDT by Sleeping Beauty
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To: Sleeping Beauty; freema
"Thanks for posting that, freema.

FR forced me to excerpt from the Guardian. You’ve shown me how to get around that, by posting the rest in a comment. Thanks. I wanted to post the Murtha stuff, too."

Free Republic's copyright rules are located here: Updated FR Excerpt and Link Only or Deny Posting List due to Copyright Complaints

It is highly recommended that you read, review and follow them if you value your posting privileges.

54 posted on 04/22/2007 9:49:09 PM PDT by Admin Moderator
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To: freema

Please provide the name of the source and a working link for this.


55 posted on 04/22/2007 9:50:23 PM PDT by Admin Moderator
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To: Admin Moderator

Thank you. I’ve bookmarked that.


56 posted on 04/22/2007 10:01:41 PM PDT by Sleeping Beauty
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To: Admin Moderator; Sleeping Beauty

I didn’t think I posted the entire rest of the article, and I just double checked, I didn’t.

I should have responded to Sleeping Beauty and explained that I wasn’t posting the entire rest of the article and that I wasn’t trying to get around the rules. That’s actually why I didn’t respond. I guess I owe Sleeping Beauty an apology, for not setting the record straight right then. SleepingBeauty, I’m sorry.

If, reading this, you find I am still in the wrong (as in the length of the excerpt, etc.), please advise. Thanks.


57 posted on 04/23/2007 3:12:40 AM PDT by freema (Marine FRiend, 1stCuz2xRemoved, Mom, Aunt, Sister, Friend, Wife, Daughter, Niece)
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Democrats Weigh Post-Veto Iraq Options
http://www.guardian.co.uk/worldlatest/story/0,,-6578204,00.html


58 posted on 04/23/2007 3:12:59 AM PDT by freema (Marine FRiend, 1stCuz2xRemoved, Mom, Aunt, Sister, Friend, Wife, Daughter, Niece)
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