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To: Just sayin
Thank you for your reply. Please do be specific with the so called slogans and nonsense statements. I will address them as you do so.

"Terminating a pregnancy" is one such mindless slogan that I addressed in my post to you, which is a little bit like the nonsensical statement that "a pregnancy can be removed from a female without ending the pregnancy itself". Maybe it's just bad writing, but an unborn baby is not merely a "pregnancy". An unborn baby is a separate human being who temporarily relies on his or her mother for life support. An pre natal infant is not some sort of disease or mere appendage of a mother's body.

The liberal left points out what they feel is wrong all the time. Gun bans, Smoking bans, seat belts, helmets, etc etc etc. Their answer is just to ban something without any other solutions or choices. That tactic is opposed on this website and others as improper all the time. And rightly so.

"Choice" is another one of those mindless slogans. It is a subject without a predicate. It is meaningless. Choice to do what?

Suppose I said to you, "There is something wrong with slavery, which is exactly why I seek to find another route. I guess that is beyond you. Please see that just removing choice because something is wrong doesn't solve everything, it only creates other problems. Like slippery slopes."

By what principle could you reject that statement? If you were consistent, you couldn't. You leave yourself no principled reason to reject it because "choice" by itself, being devoid of meaning, forces you to violate your own standard if you do reject something like slavery because you would be "removing choice" from slaveowners who choose to own slaves.

You are on the beginning of the right track by calling an unborn baby what it is truhfully...an unborn baby. You would do well to speak as directly and truthfully when it comes to what an abortionist actually does who cuts off the limbs and crushes the skulls of unborn babies, burns them alive with chemicals, or throws them in a pan to die after they are born; not exactly on par with smoking bans, seat belts, helmets kinds of things.

"Potential life" is another one of those idiotic, oxymoronic catch-phrases that has no basis in reality. But don't get me started on that one.

Cordially,

8,655 posted on 04/25/2007 9:06:35 AM PDT by Diamond
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To: Diamond

An Unbornchild cannot be seperate while residing within another’s body. That happens at birth, but I do not take the postition that this means no rights exist.

Rights for all exist even in this situation. They have to, or we all have to admit that rights are not equal to all.

I am unwilling to take that position. My position is that we are all equal where rights are concerned and all must be respected and observed. Not one or the other.

As for “temporarily”, well on one level I am talking only about shortening that timeframe. So we kind of agree on that point. Would you say?

Choice in the matter of (fill in the blank). The reason there is a subject and no predicate is because it applies across the board...to all things. Kind of like the understood yet unwritten “you”. It doesn’t have to be there in words to acknowlege the meaning and the presence.

I wrote a bit ago about how society removes some choices and puts others in their place. I believe this is what validates the removal of certain choices. An alternative choice with the same outcome being available means choice itself was not removed.

Per your slavery example.

The alternative is to hire nonslaves to do the work. Choice remains, though an alternative one, choice remains present none the less. The same outcome is afforded, the labor is still performed. An alternate way to accomplish the same goal.

Choice to hold a slave was removed but choice to get the labor done was not. See what I am sayin?

Let me ask you this, Why were we all created as individuals, with independant minds, if we we’re not tasked with making our own choices in our own lives?


8,945 posted on 04/25/2007 11:49:43 AM PDT by Just sayin (Is is what it is, for if it was anything else, it would be isn't.)
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