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To: Elyse

Elyse, I am pro choice, but not the way you frame it. I seek an alternative choice to ones that exist today because I find all the choices today to have something wrong with them. That seems to be lost thru this discussion when you try to make A choice be THE choice of abortion itself.

The idea or notion or whatever you want to call it is not about TODAY. It is about solving an ongoing problem in a way that finally ends it as a political football. As it stands there is a stalemate and politicians take advantage of that....never really doing anything productive about it. So things remain as they are. I want something better and I want politicians to move on to other problems that face our nation and our world.

Removing various oppositions to solutions is how to solve a problem, imho. I offer that the best way to remove opposition on the other side is to offer another alternative choice. Likewise removing opposition to a solution on this side is preserving the life. When this is done, the argument made that choice is being removed fails in it’s accuracy in merit, so does the argument of the unborn dying on the process.

I believe the purpose of debate is about finding solutions to problems. What I talk about is preserving what both sides really want. On one side, choice, and on the other life. What is so wrong with that an why is it that you seem so against it?

If a technological advance is made to facilitate such an idea, there would be no need continuing the practice abortion as it is done today. Thus, such a practice could be done away with and harm no ones ability to gain that which they desire.

I guess I will ask you this, do you want to end abortions as they are done today in any way possible or are you more interested in doing it your way, an established way, like a simple outright ban with nothing put in it’s place? Do you honestly think that if a Congress just banned all abortions that the abortion debate ends? Hardly. It would be the same arguments that happen now, just the other way around. In terms of my idea, that would not be the case.

The only argument that could be made in that event would be to directly lobby for the right to kill an unborn by choice when a viable alternative exists. No one is going to gain support for such a thing when there is an alternative that gains them a ‘not pregnant’ status. No one will even listen to that foolishness because the case could be and would be made that an alternative exists and their position has ZERO merit because of it.

It is my position that removing choice is wrong. I don’t think it is productive to remove choice entirely. To me, that is trying to solve one wrong with another. I just seek something better.

One possible reason you are finding it hard to understand me is that you are trying to take my square position on this subject and fit it into a established round hole alrready formed in this long ongoing conflict. Is that a corny way to say it? Sure it is. I think that one reason this has gone on for so long is that the debate has become stagnatn with the same old ideas and talking points.

This is why I have this ‘square’ shaped position. Trying something new to arrive at a day where this debate is no longer needed becasue all concerned gain that which they seek.


8,649 posted on 04/25/2007 8:54:03 AM PDT by Just sayin (Is is what it is, for if it was anything else, it would be isn't.)
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To: Just sayin
It is my position that removing choice is wrong. I don’t think it is productive to remove choice entirely. To me, that is trying to solve one wrong with another. I just seek something better.

You say you against abortion. Why? If you believe that a baby is being killed, then you cannot be for letting people have choice in the matter. Why would we give people a choice to end another innocent human life? That is murder. Are we solving one wrong with another when we prevent a murder from taking place?

If we are talking about solving one wrong with another then we are talking about a pro-choice viewpoint. They seek to solve the wrong (accidently pregnancy or rape) with murder.

8,666 posted on 04/25/2007 9:16:26 AM PDT by Elyse (I refuse to feed the crocodile.)
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