Where did I ever say that social issues trump national security or that FR was a “social conservative” only site.
FR is a conservative site. We’re not just social conservative or just fiscal conservative. We are conservative period. I don’t think you can be a half conservative and half liberal. You’re either a conservative or your not. If you are fiscally conservative, but socially liberal you’re a liberal. If you are socially conservative but a fiscal liberal then you are a liberal. If you readily embrace and promote liberalism whether socially liberal or fiscally liberal, then you are a liberal. Giulianni is a liberal, socially and fiscally. Most likely, you are a liberal too. Giuliani’s support for taxpayer funded abortion and utter contempt for the constitution makes him a rotten to the core socialist.
FR is pro-God, pro-life, pro-liberty, pro-gun, pro-constitution, pro-private property, pro-individual rights, pro-national defense, pro-limited government, pro-limited spending, pro defense, pro sovereignty, pro-America, etc, etc. We are opposed to abortionism, feminism, socialism, big government, big spending, activist judges, run away government, corruption, authoritarianism, tyranny, totalitarianism, etc.
And we are totally opposed to liberals running for office from the Republican party.
You accept, embrace and support the very liberal (actually socialist) Rudy Giulianni, which means you turn your back on conservatism.
Then you have the audacity to lie about my positions and FR’s positions. You claim to be a conservative but support the most liberal candidate that has ever tried to run as a Republican and you spend your time trashing fine outstanding conservative candidates and conservative supporters. That makes you an idiot in my eyes and a liar to boot. And as far as class goes, you and your abortionist socialist superstar have none whatsoever so you don’t have much room to speak.
Where have I lied about your position?
A freeper said you were making conservatives feel welcome again.
I said that maybe you were making social conservatives feel welcome, but those of us who are national security and fiscal conservatives aren’t feeling terribly welcome. We who support Rudy have been quite vocal that we support him for his stance on national security and fiscal issues and yet you’ve calling us treasonous liberals for that support.
Now, I would welcome you showing me exactly where I’ve lied about your position. Ever. Just once instance will do.
Well that’s hitting the nail on the head.
FR is a conservative site. We’re not just social conservative or just fiscal conservative. We are conservative period. I don’t think you can be a half conservative and half liberal. You’re either a conservative or your not. If you are fiscally conservative, but socially liberal you’re a liberal. (etc., snip)
Jim, please consider reading this in the morning when you've calmed down a bit. What you say in the first two sentences is totally negated by the part I bolded. You say it's a conservative site, which would seem to be inclusive of all varieties of conservatives, but then write your own narrow definition of what a conservative is.
You and I are told we must choose between a left or right, but I suggest there is no such thing as a left or right. There is only an up or down. Up to man’s age-old dream — the maximum of individual freedom consistent with order — or down to the ant heap of totalitarianism. Regardless of their sincerity, their humanitarian motives, those who would sacrifice freedom for security have embarked on this downward path. Plutarch warned, “The real destroyer of the liberties of the people is he who spreads among them bounties, donations and benefits...”
...Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. We didn’t pass it to our children in the bloodstream. It must be fought for, protected, and handed on for them to do the same, or one day we will spend our sunset years telling our children and our children’s children what it was once like in the United States where men were free.
Only when the human spirit can worship, create, and build, only when people are given a personal stake in determining their own destiny and benefiting from their own risks, do societies become prosperous, progressive, dynamic, and free.
As far as the movement is concerned, our real election is the Republican primaries. If Rudy wins, the movement has already lost for 2008 and we will no longer be represented by a true Republican in the generals. Well actually we will not be represented, period.
However the question then becomes are we willing to vote for the lesser evil of two Democrats, or will we never vote for a liberal socialist on principle. That's a serious question because in relative terms a lot is at stake. One would abashedly, unapologetically and unrestrainedly nosedive the country into Marxism...and the other would at least er hesitate a little.
I guess half-wits can do it, but nobody else can.
Gilbert and Sullivan said so, delightfully, in song, one hundred and twenty-five years ago, in their 1882 operetta, Iolanthe.
I often think it's comical--Fal, lal, la! Fal, lal, la!
How Nature always does contrive--Fal, lal, la, la!
That every boy and every gal
That's born into the world alive
Is either a little Liberal
Or else a little Conservative!
Fal, lal, la! Fal, lal, la!
Is either a little Liberal
Or else a little Conservative!
Fal, lal, la!
Bless you Jim!
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AMEN!