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Don't misunderstand, I remain a supporter of the President and am proud of the two votes I cast for him. But he squandered my first vote and only got my second vote because of the WOT trump card.

I voted for him twice as well. The first time out of conviction, the second time out of lack of a better candidate. He and his boys screwed up the Iraq situation pretty bad, and by their actions they threw away the Republican majority in Congress.

Tancredo; Hunter; Huckabee ... any number of the candidates or possible candidates can fight the WOT. Giuliani certainly doesn't have a lock on that issue.

Yeah, but then we hit the electability issue. I don't see any of those guys beating Clinton or Obama or even Edwards in a year when any Republican candidate is going to be fighting an uphill battle.

I don't see any of those guys beating Clinton or Obama or even Edwards in a year when any Republican candidate is going to be fighting an uphill battle

Those guys don't have to beat Clinton or Obama.

That's the trouble with the "Rudy electability" argument ... A principled conservative wins on the issues. That's what happened in 2006 - the Republicans weren't moving forward with conservative issues. They campaigned on "Vote for me or Nancy Pelosi is speaker of the House." Talk about the issues, and we win.

zero is a number, but not a freeper anymore. But still, I wanted to respond to a point raised:

Yeah, but then we hit the electability issue. I don't see any of those guys beating Clinton or Obama or even Edwards in a year when any Republican candidate is going to be fighting an uphill battle.

When I argue with rudy supporters, they may start with "He's strong on the War on Terror", or "He's strong on National Security", or "He's hated by liberals". (not that they give evidence for the first two). But when you ask them for evidence of the first two, and mention that virtually all of our candidates are fine on those issues, it always come down with them to "electability".

I've called this defeatism. They believe that conservatism is dead, and that the best we can hope for is to appeal to liberals and independents who are, mostly blindly, walking our country off a cliff.

Rudy supporters believe that no good conservative could possibly turn these people around, and having an "R" in the white house is so important that they are willing to march over the cliff with these people by electing a leader heading in that direction.