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To: Jim Robinson

These are unique times, and the GOP is going to have real trouble winning an election with the demographics that are changing as we speak. The democrats have successfully demonized republicans as being mainly white religious bigots.

Rudy connects across the board, with many disaffected democrats as well as independents and also with the youth that watched his leadership after 9/11.


1,688 posted on 04/22/2007 3:43:39 AM PDT by tkathy
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To: tkathy

B/S.


1,689 posted on 04/22/2007 3:48:03 AM PDT by Jim Robinson
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To: tkathy

Rino Rudy can not win without support of the base, he will split that. So he will lose.


1,691 posted on 04/22/2007 3:53:08 AM PDT by Hydroshock (Duncan Hunter For President, checkout gohunter08.com.)
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To: tkathy

Long story very short for now...there is a nickels difference between the Democrats and republicans on a higher level. They would like us to think that they have different platforms. The Insiders from the US and England, (CFR and RIIA) are experiencing a rift in who will lead the New World Order. The true story is not found in law books or history books. This was just a comment in passing.

1922 - “From the days of Sparticus, Wieskhopf, Karl Marx, Trotsky, Rosa Luxemberg, and Emma Goldman, this world conspiracy has been steadily growing. This conspiracy played a definite recognizable role in the tragedy of the French revolution. It has been the mainspring of every subversive movement during the 19th century. And now at last this band of extraordinary personalities from the underworld of the great cities of Europe and America have gripped the Russian people by the hair of their head and have become the undisputed masters of that enormous empire.” Winston Churchill, stated to the London Press, in l922.

26 March 1922 - Quote from Mayor John F. Hylan “The real menace of our republic is this invisible government which like a giant octopus sprawls its slimy length over city, state and nation. Like the octopus of real life, it operates under cover of a self created screen....At the head of this octopus are the Rockefeller Standard Oil interests and a small group of powerful banking houses generally referred to as international bankers. The little coterie of powerful international bankers virtually run the United States government for their own selfish purposes. They practically control both political parties.” New York City Mayor John F. Hylan, 1922

1928 - What benefits did I.G. Farben have to give the Nazi Party? Just to name a few, besides a laundry list of other war supplies, Zyklon B, the gas used by Auschwitz, Bitterfeld, Agfa, lduwigshafen, Buchenwald, Hoechst and a few others. These boys also produced Chlorine gas used during WWI. Remember Henry Ford. I found out that he merged his German assets with those of Farben. Quote: “Without the capital supplied by Wall Street, there would have been no I.G. Farben in the first place, and almost certainly no Adolf Hitler and WWII.” (Historian Anthony Sutton; “Wall Street and the Rise of Hitler”, 76 Press, Seal Beach, Ca. 1976; page 33).

NOTE: So, in short, the major source of Hitler’s financial power came from the chemical Cartel called I.G. Farben. The most interesting part of this little bit of trivia is that I.G. Farben had a little known source of its financial power: our very own, Wall Street.

[June 1932 - Burned out veteran’s homes in Shanty Town, to prepare them to run a coup, Then entice US. General to march on Washington, the U.S. Capital to take over using the 500,000 disgruntled Vets.]

July 1932 to November 1933 – Good timing for an actual planned Coup of the American Government by American big business by attempting to recruit a Major General Butler in the U.S.M.C. as the commander. This true to life plan involved a very colorful character named Major General Smedley Butler of the USMC. He was approached by certain wealthy capitalist from the United States to lead a revolution to overthrow the government and establish an American Fascist dictatorship. He was even tempted by this offer. Three men, representing a body of planners, proposed to General Butler a plan to seize the White House with a private Army of 500,000 very disgruntled veterans, hold FDR prisoner, and get rid of him if he refused to serve as their puppet in a dictatorship they were going to control. Do a search on Butler and discover what he said about war and what he knew already. He asserted that the military really served the role as a collection agency for big bankers. The Senate munitions investigating committee confirmed this assertion in 1934. Major General Butler had won two Congressional Medals of Honor, and had been involved in many campaigns. This committee confirmed that; remember this word; “Standard Oil”, along with United Fruit, the sugar trust, the big banks, had been behind most of the operations he had lead. Do another search to find the McCormack-Dickstein Committee that investigated Butler’s charges. They confirmed his allegations. There are other folks that believe that Butler was maybe being set up, and that this incident was actually going to be the means that these big businessmen and FDR was going to use. Butler would lead this private Army to DC, this action would have resulted in FDR declaring a national emergency and imposing martial law and being supported by the American people.

21 November 1933 – A letter written by FDR to Colonel House, “The depression was the calculated ‘shearing’ of the public by the World Money powers, triggered by the planned sudden shortage of supply of call money in the New York money market....The One World Government leaders and their ever close bankers have now acquired full control of the money and credit machinery of the U.S. via the creation of the privately owned Federal Reserve Bank.” Curtis Dall, FDR’s son-in-law as quoted in his book, My Exploited Father-in-Law.

Same letter by FDR 1933 - A letter written by FDR to Colonel House; “The real truth of the matter is, as you and I know, that a financial element in the larger centers has owned the Government ever since the days of Andrew Jackson.”

13 March 1962 - The Northwoods document was brought to Kennedy’s attention. The Joint Chiefs of Staff and Allen Dulles had drawn up a plan to launch a series of terrorist attacks within the United States, combined with a media blitz blaming Cuba for the attacks. They believed this would frighten the American public into overwhelmingly supporting a second invasion of Cuba. The Northwoods plan called for Pentagon and CIA paramilitary forces to sink ships, hijack airliners and bomb buildings. When Kennedy heard of their plan, he was furious. The corrupt military industrial power structure within the American government knew no bounds, not even the lives of their own countrymen mattered in their quest for power and profit. Kennedy removed CIA director Allen Dulles, deputy director Richard Bissell and General Lyman Lemnitzer, head of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, for their parts in the plan. Within weeks Prescott Bush who had close dealings with these individuals, chose to retire prematurely from politics for supposed health reasons.

Kennedy realized that the CIA was a focal point of corporate war planning, from which emanated a secret agenda that threatened the security and freedom of the American people. He said, “I will shatter the CIA into a thousand pieces and scatter them to the winds”. Kennedy intended to do battle with a terrible evil and take America back from the military industrial complex and those who financed it. He began by founding a panel that would investigate the CIA’s numerous crimes. He put a damper on the breadth and scope of the CIA, limiting their ability to act under National Security Memorandum 55.

1976 - “The drive of the Rockefellers and their allies is to create a one-world government combining supercapitalism and Communism under the same tent, all under their control.... Do I mean conspiracy? Yes I do. I am convinced there is such a plot, international in scope, generations old in planning, and incredibly evil in intent.” Congressman Larry P. McDonald, 1976, killed in the Korean Airlines 747 that was shot down by the Soviets in 1983.

1983 - Larry McDonald is killed along with 268 other passengers on Korean Air Lines (KAL) flight 007, shot down over Sakhalin Island in the Sea of Japan. All bodies recovered, except the bodies of the pilot and copilot. Some of the suspicious information regarding KAL 007 include:
* Flight was off course with plenty of fuel. Commercial flights commonly take a short cut over Sakhalin when low on fuel. Radio response in Russian airspace commonplace, with Russian pilots monitoring path of commercial planes.
* Russian pilots radioed KAL 007 with no response from pilots.
* Russian pilots fired warning shots with visible tracers past cockpit, KAL pilots did no acknowledge warning shots or tracers.
* Two parachutes were seen by inhabitants of Aleutian islands prior to plane being shot down.
* Flight recorder recovered by US. submarine, data classified by CIA.

June 1991 - “We are grateful to The Washington Post, The New York Times, Time Magazine and other great publications whose directors have attended our meetings and respected their promises of discretion for almost forty years. It would have been impossible for us to develop our plan for the world if we had been subject to the bright lights of publicity during those years. But, the work is now much more sophisticated and prepared to march towards a world government. The supranational sovereignty of an intellectual elite and world bankers is surely preferable to the national auto-determination practiced in past centuries.” David Rockefeller, founder of the Trilateral Commission, in an address to a meeting of The Trilateral Commission, in June, 1991.

20 December 1991 - Australia elects Paul Keating as new labor PM - time reveals his unique style.
20 July 1992 - “In the next century, nations as we know it will be obsolete; all states will recognize a single, global authority. National sovereignty wasn’t such a great idea after all.” Strobe Talbot, President Clinton’s Deputy Secretary of State, as quoted in Time, July 20th, l992.


1,701 posted on 04/22/2007 4:12:19 AM PDT by tgambill (I would like to comment.....)
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To: tkathy
Rudy connects across the board, with many disaffected democrats as well as independents and also with the youth that watched his leadership after 9/11.

Who cares. Apparently he would compromise the foundation that the country was built on in order to 'win'. He would allow and actually support things which are not only wrong, but evil. Which shows his true colors.

Screw the idea of 'Who Can Win'. Hitler, Pol-Pot, Stalin, Mao, Khomeini, Qaddafi, Hussein, Chavez and Clinton were all candidates who 'Could Win'.

Support someone who embraces your values. Start there, you will find that the rest of the issues will line up fine. Compromise your values and you lose everything that really matters.

1,703 posted on 04/22/2007 4:15:30 AM PDT by stuned_beeber (Quit...Give up...Go home...- Vote Democrat!)
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To: tkathy
“The democrats have successfully demonized republicans as being mainly white religious bigots.”

I think you hit on something very revealing here with that comment. The democrats have successfully convinced you that conservatives are evil, and that we need to become a more “moderate” party that is accepted in the mainstream. The democrats and MSM have gotten into the heads of many conservatives by making them think we’re bigots and extremists. The daily attacks on conservatism is tough, and brutal, and I believe that many conservatives have decided it isn’t worth it anymore. In other words, they’ve decided, it’s too hot in the kitchen and they’re gonna get out.

People think by nominating a more “moderate” candidate, like Rudy, our party will become more respected, and accepted by our enemies. So they compromise their principles and back a candidate who has nothing in common with conservatives. The MSM has succeeded in wearing down a lot of conservatives who just can’t take the constant drumbeat of criticism, being told that they are religious fanatics who are out of the mainstream. After a lie is told often enough people begin to believe it.

This is one of the reasons that I believe Rudy is popular in the republican party right now. People think he will bring us a “better image”, and that our critics will back off and leave us alone. They couldn’t be more wrong. To compromise our principles is nothing more than admitting defeat and surrendering to the enemy. Conservatives need to quit drinking the liberal kool-aid, and quit worrying about the lies that come from the democrats and MSM.

For me, conservative values and principles are worth fighting for, and if it means I will continue to be demonized for who I am, so be it. I am a conservative, and I’m proud of it. I will not compromise for the sake of my enemies. They will always be my enemies—because they are liberals.

1,722 posted on 04/22/2007 5:05:43 AM PDT by dmw (Conservatives do NOT vote for liberals.)
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To: tkathy
Rudy connects across the board, with many disaffected democrats as well as independents and also with the youth that watched his leadership after 9/11.

Huh? I've never seen a single "youth" say anything good about the old, bald, lisping short guy who likes to wear women's dresses. And the only people that Rudy is "connecting" with are liberals and people who haven't yet heard his history and actual positions on the issues.

1,916 posted on 04/22/2007 8:39:31 AM PDT by Spiff (Rudy Giuliani Quote (NY Post, 1996) "Most of Clinton's policies are very similar to most of mine.")
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To: tkathy
These are unique times, and the GOP is going to have real trouble winning an election with the demographics that are changing as we speak. The democrats have successfully demonized republicans as being mainly white religious bigots. Rudy connects across the board, with many disaffected democrats as well as independents and also with the youth that watched his leadership after 9/11.

I agree, but no one learned from the last congressional election, guess it will take a blowout on the presidential election to figure it out.

1,919 posted on 04/22/2007 8:40:40 AM PDT by Central Scrutiniser (Never Let a Fundie Near a Textbook. Teach Evolution!)
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To: tkathy

I hope that some conservatives who are grudgingly supporting Rudy will take the word of people in the movement they have long respected, and realise how devisive he really is to a minority but important part of the conservative movement, a part that the republican party can ill-afford to alienate, even IF it is true that Rudy himself might win without them (which I doubt).

The question rudy supporters need to answer in addition to the myriad of questions I asked last night is this — is defeating hillary worth destroying the republican party?


1,953 posted on 04/22/2007 9:01:40 AM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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