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U.S. Rules Made Killer Ineligible to Purchase Gun
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Posted on 04/21/2007 12:56:05 AM PDT by DeerfieldObserver

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To: Alberta's Child

Under the terms of the divorce decree she has the right to the money, just as her mentally fit brother (my half-brother) does. WITH an adjudication of mental incompetence, a trust could be set up and a legal guardian (most likely her brother) appointed to have authority over dispensing funds. Just trickling the money out instead of handing it over as a lump sum wouldn’t really make much difference. It could still very easily be diverted to someone else, and even if it wasn’t, she’d certainly spend it on bizarre and impulsive purchases, rather than on things she actually needs.


101 posted on 04/21/2007 9:26:35 AM PDT by GovernmentShrinker
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To: Alberta's Child

Agreed. Fleeting mental defects are rare. Though there needs to be a mechanism for reversing mental incompetence adjudications in the even that the person’s condition actually changes (which medical advances may well make more common in the foreseeable future), the period of time during which someone is legally classified as mentally incompetent should be formally fixed. There is no legal basis for the current cafeteria-style approach, in which someone gets off the hook for a crime committed based on a claim of mental incompetence, but is not released from any and all contracts entered into during the alleged period of mental incompetence, even though contracts involving a mental incompetent as a party are void under common and statutory law. The periods of time involved in these specious defense claims are often much more fleeting than 6 months, and sometimes even virtually momentary (as in for the few minutes it took to plan and carry out the crime).


102 posted on 04/21/2007 9:33:04 AM PDT by GovernmentShrinker
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To: bruoz

In order for this to be effective all firearms would have to registered (Step 2) which would then pave the way to confiscation on a national level(Step 3). That is why the NRA has always fought against laws, particularly on a national level, that would mandate such a scheme.

Paranoia is not a policy. I think the NRA is wrong on this one.

However, I do support having qualified teachers/staff carrying firearms on campus.


103 posted on 04/21/2007 9:33:52 AM PDT by DeerfieldObserver
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To: DeerfieldObserver

No, it doesn’t. Gasoline and an ignition system is cheaper.


104 posted on 04/21/2007 9:39:09 AM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: DeerfieldObserver
Paranoia is not a policy. I think the NRA is wrong on this one.

Tell that to the Jews who registered their firearms under the Wiemar Republic in Germany and then lost them under the National Socialist (NAZI) government in Germany. It's already happened in some states and most of the countries of the world. Registration=Confiscation sooner or later.

105 posted on 04/21/2007 9:53:42 AM PDT by bruoz
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To: GovernmentShrinker
We need to cut the red tape and bleeding heart regulations, and make it a LOT cheaper to keep people locked up, whether they belong in a secure mental institution or a regular prison. Frankly, there’s no reason for people who’ve been committed to a mental institution with no real possibility of recovery sufficient to re-join society, to be receiving all sorts of expensive “treatment”. There’s no reason it should cost more than $20,000 a year to keep somebody in a secure institution, and medicated to whatever extent is necessary to make them easily manageable by staff.

We don't really have mental institutions in the US anymore. They were all closed in the 60s when the Federal Government refused to all Medicaid dollars to fund them. The states couldn't afford them -- so they closed them.

All we have are hospital beds, which cost up to $300,000 per year. Most of the US mentally ill are warehoused in jails, which costs about $100,000 per year. Those who have committed no crime yet make up about 30 percent of the homeless living on the street.

The states can't afford to pick up any of these costs without a drastic increase in taxes.

As a society that believes in a god-given right to carry guns, I think we must accept the fact that there are people around us who can point and shoot anytime they want to -- at the office, at school, in church, on the street and highways, at home, in shopping malls, in movie theaters, at sports events.

This is the cost of freedom (in lieu of paying exorbitant taxes). We want small government -- which means we have to take on the responsibility of protecting ourselves every minute of the day. I don't have a problem with this. I carry everywhere I go.

106 posted on 04/21/2007 9:59:32 AM PDT by Sleeping Beauty
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To: Sleeping Beauty

Well said and so do I.


107 posted on 04/21/2007 10:03:21 AM PDT by bruoz
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To: bruoz

BTW, as of March 07 there are 561,872 persons are licensed to carry in Florida.


108 posted on 04/21/2007 10:08:52 AM PDT by bruoz
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To: DeerfieldObserver

Car through the Mall at lunchtime?


109 posted on 04/21/2007 10:11:21 AM PDT by mad_as_he$$ (NSDQ)
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To: GovernmentShrinker

In many states they will take your guns on an accusation of a crime and not return them - ever.


110 posted on 04/21/2007 10:13:57 AM PDT by mad_as_he$$ (NSDQ)
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To: wita
I have Luger knock off I would give to you. It needs a good home and someone who will never sell it again and inflict the pain of owning it on another person.
111 posted on 04/21/2007 10:16:33 AM PDT by mad_as_he$$ (NSDQ)
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To: DeerfieldObserver

What is this FedGov law doing operating inside the Commonwealth? Or, apparently not operating.


112 posted on 04/21/2007 10:18:40 AM PDT by RightWhale (3 May '07 3:14 PM)
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To: Sleeping Beauty

The mental institutions were closed, but they were largely replaced by group homes scattered around the general community, with insufficient supervision to protect either the residents (who are often victims of their government-paid caretakers in these homes) or the neighbors. These group homes may be cheaper to run than the mental hospitals were, but I believe serviceable mental hospitals could be run for what we’re currently paying for the group homes (most of which have had to fight local legal battles with people who don’t want the facility in their neighborhood, in order to get set up in the first place). The money is often coming from different line times in the federal and state budgets, but it’s still a lot of money. What used to fall in the “mental hospital” line item of government budgets is now found in additional expenditures via Section 8 housing subsidies, food stamps, Medicaid, “outreach programs”, and on and on.


113 posted on 04/21/2007 10:50:24 AM PDT by GovernmentShrinker
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To: GovernmentShrinker
I actually know quite a bit about group homes for the mentally challenged. The money used for them comes from the client's SSI and Medicaid block grants. They are staffed by workers paid $8 per hour.

There is no security. There are no gigantic orderlies with tasers. There are no needles or emergency meds, no restraints. No doctors or nurses. These are gentle, peaceful places.

I know you want a cheap solution, but it's not there. Ask any mental health professional. In the United States we use prisons to house the mentally ill -- the kind of crazies you are worried about. Otherwise, they are on the street, in our lives, until they commit a crime.

When you shrink government, you give up many protections. Arm yourself and your family. Be safe.

114 posted on 04/21/2007 11:19:44 AM PDT by Sleeping Beauty
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To: Sleeping Beauty

Many of these group homes are NOT gentle, peaceful places. The inmates are at the mercy of those $8/hour workers, who have been known to rob, beat, and rape the vulnerable people they’re supposed to be protecting. But when these people are housed in tiny, widely scattered homes, it’s virtually impossible to police the caretakers. Policing them sufficiently to keep the residents safe would cost a lot more than gathering them all under one institutional roof.


115 posted on 04/21/2007 11:31:06 AM PDT by GovernmentShrinker
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To: mad_as_he$$

Where would I put it? The real Luger would revolt, and cause all sorts of problems.


116 posted on 04/21/2007 9:18:12 PM PDT by wita (truthspeaks@freerepublic.com)
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To: wita

lol...


117 posted on 04/22/2007 6:01:00 AM PDT by mad_as_he$$ (NSDQ)
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To: DeerfieldObserver

“Paranoia is not a policy. I think the NRA is wrong on this one.”

So you would require a background check for someone to leave his guns to his son or to donate them to the NRA museum?


118 posted on 04/22/2007 7:05:25 AM PDT by antisocial (Texas SCV - Deo Vindice)
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To: antisocial

So you would require a background check for someone to leave his guns to his son or to donate them to the NRA museum?

Yes. What if his son’s name is Cho?


119 posted on 04/22/2007 7:52:31 AM PDT by DeerfieldObserver
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