Do you know the dead student’s status when it comes to faith? Do you have facts that prove this student was a Muslim by birth... but that he was he had become a born again Christian in his heart? When did you have the opportunity to converse with him about the Gospel? Did you pray with him, asking Jesus to seal his salvation?
Unless you have done the above, you have NO PROOF that he has been damned to hell.
Much like I have NO PROOF that you are a Christian.
May God remind you of what the judgement of the Pharisees did to Christ.
You said — “Do you know the dead student’s status when it comes to faith? Do you have facts that prove this student was a Muslim by birth... but that he was he had become a born again Christian in his heart? When did you have the opportunity to converse with him about the Gospel? Did you pray with him, asking Jesus to seal his salvation?”
I was answering the poster’s *own assertions* in which he tells me about “his Muslim friends”. I can only take the poster at his word, that they are indeed Muslim. Who else would know but the poster himself, since they are his friends.
And, when engaging in discussions, like these, there is always a starting point for facts and givens. The starting point, at least for this other poster — was — “his Muslim friends.”
I see no reason to doubt him, in regards to whether his friends are Muslim or not. I take him at his word. Thus I speak to “his Muslim friends”
Please do tell me that his Muslim friends are not really Muslim, after all, but are Christians.
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You then said — “Unless you have done the above, you have NO PROOF that he has been damned to hell.”
I can say that Muslims are damned to hell. That’s because “Muslim” has a meaning, a doctrine and it’s a false religion. And thus, Muslims are damned to hell.
Now, if a person, himself, calls himself a Muslim, I can only surmise that they, indeed, know what they’re talking about. But, for sake of disucssion, let’s say that he really didn’t know what a “Muslim” was all about and he was mistakenly calling himself a Muslim.
And mind you..., you bring up the dead Muslim student. I was not answering regarding the dead Muslim student. I was answering a poster regarding *his* Muslim friends.
So, if this so-called Muslim “thinks” he’s a Muslim, but really isn’t — I can safely say that even *not being a Muslim in reality* (but calling oneself a Muslim) pretty much *guarantees* that this person is not a Christian. That’s because anyone who is a Christian, would know right off the bat, that one could not accept Allah in place of the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.
And, indeed, if one were calling themselves a Muslim, you would also know that they could not believe in a risen Christ (as the Apostle Paul says is essential), because Muslims do not believe that Christ was ever crucified.
And, further, if one called oneself a Muslim, you would know that Jesus is not considered the “Son of God” because Allah has no sons. And further, Jesus is not the Savior, He is only a prophet, but not even the highest or best prophet, only one that is inferior to Mohammed.
So, in all this, mistakenly thinking one is a Muslim or believing one is a Muslim — one is not a Christian and therefore is damned to hell.
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You then said — “Much like I have NO PROOF that you are a Christian.”
I ask for no proof that the student is a Muslim. Not at all. I only take the student and his family *at their word*. If they say so, then so be it. And if they say that — then he is damned to hell. It’s that simple.
And, by the way, if they are a Muslim, I also know that they believe and act in certain ways. I know that because I know what the foundational documents are that they believe in. I can be assured that they believe in Allah. I know that they do not believe that Jesus ever died on the cross. I know that they believe Mohammed is the greatest prophet.
Now, I take their word at that, that they are indeed a Muslim. But, if I were to find out — that they do not believe Mohammed is a prophet, and that they do not believe that Allah is the true god — then I would conclude that they aren’t a Muslim. I wouldn’t know what they were — but I would know for sure that they weren’t a Muslim, because they don’t believe some essentials that make one a Muslim, fundamental essentials.
And likewise, if someone else says that they are a Christian, I would be taking them at their word. And that would mean that I would then “know” something about them, since they told me that they were a Christian. However, if later I found out that they do not believe that Jesus died on a cross, and they do not believe that Jesus was raised from the dead, and they do not believe that Jesus was the Son of God, and they have never “accepted Christ as their Savior” — I would then know that they are not a Christian.
So, whether it is a Muslim or a Christian — one takes the person, initially at their word, and finds out as they talk to them whether this is true or not.
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Finally, you say — “May God remind you of what the judgement of the Pharisees did to Christ.”
Defending the Word of God and spelling out clearly what the Bible says about going to hell (*who* will go to hell, and *who* will not) and telling about salvation and who will have it verse who will not have it — is nothing more than Evangelism and Apologetics.
The Pharisees were not engaged in Evangelism and Apologetics. They were against the salvation that Jesus Christ brought to the world.
Regards,
Star Traveler