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Jobless Doctors 'To Be Shipped Overseas' (UK)
The Telegraph (UK) ^ | 4-21-2007 | George Jones

Posted on 04/20/2007 6:43:42 PM PDT by blam

Jobless doctors 'to be shipped overseas'

By George Jones, Political Editor
Last Updated: 2:13am BST 21/04/2007

Up to 10,000 young doctors who are unable to find jobs in the NHS could be offered voluntary work overseas.

An estimated 34,250 doctors have applied for just 18,500 training posts

According to official documents leaked yesterday, the plan was drawn up by NHS managers following the botched introduction of an online appointments system, which could leave thousands of junior doctors without training places this summer.

The document, Maximising Employment Opportunities, confirmed that there was a 10,000 "excess of applicants for training posts over places".

It said priority would be given to finding places for UK graduates and those from Europe.

Between 500 and 1,300 of those doctors about to finish their foundation training are believed to be most at risk of not securing a specialist training post under the programme.

The other applicants will be in the equivalent "old-fashioned" post of senior house officer or working in other roles in the NHS, perhaps as locum doctors or in long-term non-training posts.

The disclosure caused consternation among Opposition politicians yesterday, who described the proposal as "disgraceful".

As the row grew, the Department of Health tried to distance itself from the proposals, saying that it had "no plans" to send trainee doctors overseas - even though the charity Voluntary Service Overseas was reported to have given a "very positive" initial response to the idea.

NHS Employers drew up the plans after intense criticism of the new online appointments system called Medical Training Application Service.

The crisis, first highlighted by The Daily Telegraph, began in February and is still not resolved,

Doctors complained that the system caused computers to crash, that non-medics were involved in short listing candidates and that there was no facility on the form to attach CVs.

Matt Jameson Evans, a trainee orthopaedic surgeon, said last night that he had seen experienced trainee doctors "breaking down in tears on the wards" because of the stress caused by the botched system.

Putting a doctor through five years of medical school costs the taxpayer £250,000.

Current estimates by the British Medical Association show that 34,250 doctors have applied for just 18,500 training posts in the UK.

Sian Thomas, the deputy director of NHS Employers, said that it was disappointing that the review group's discussions were being leaked.

"A key objective has been to maximise opportunities for those who are not successful in securing a training place, ensuring that valuable skills are retained and that staff have all the support they need." She said that the 10,000 figure was based on the difference between applicants and training places.

"There are many options open to applicants who do not secure a training place, including service posts in the NHS, locum work, or spending a period of time working outside the NHS.

"Volunteering and working overseas has always been popular among NHS staff, with the relevant experience, who have a lot to give and a lot to gain from a period of working in other countries," she said.

A VSO spokesman confirmed that there had been a conversation with the Department of Health which was "an information gathering exercise for them on where our placements are and what we do."

Last night a DoH spokesman said that it had no plans to arrange for trainee doctors to service with VSO.

Jo Hilborne, the chairman of the BMA's junior doctors committee, said that VSO was a respected organisation but it was "just humorous'' to suggest VSO posts as an alternative to an NHS training jobs.

Andrew Lansley, Conservative health spokesman, said that the scheme was a "waste of talent, resources, and taxpayers' money".

Norman Lamb, the Liberal Democrat health spokesman, that it was shocking that the Government still did not know how many doctors would fail to get training posts.


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: doctors; jobless; overseas; shipped

1 posted on 04/20/2007 6:43:45 PM PDT by blam
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To: blam
Putting a doctor through five years of medical school costs the taxpayer £250,000.

No wonder they have twice as many applicants than are needed.
2 posted on 04/20/2007 6:48:45 PM PDT by Jaysun (Pave the rainforest.)
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To: Jaysun

Send some of those Doctors down here to St. Mary’s county Md. I would love to have a Doctor that speaks English instead of Chinese ,Pakistani and ,Indian.


3 posted on 04/20/2007 6:55:33 PM PDT by sgtbono2002 (I will forgive Jane Fonda, when the Jews forgive Hitler.)
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To: blam
I trained for a couple of months in England in 1989. Med school is six years. It is “free” for those who get in. They start on day one as students earning the equivalent of $40K (1989.) They get a modest raise every year, for life. But they never make what some US docs make. They work limited hours, unlike US docs.
4 posted on 04/20/2007 6:56:49 PM PDT by outofstyle
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To: blam
What is it with the British propensity for debacles?

It's been a national tradition since colonial days to send boatloads of their brightest young men off to their pointless, grizzly deaths.

This seems very much in that spirit.

5 posted on 04/20/2007 6:59:09 PM PDT by SteveMcKing
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To: sgtbono2002
Send some of those Doctors down here to St. Mary’s county Md. I would love to have a Doctor that speaks English instead of Chinese ,Pakistani and ,Indian.

Wut de problem? I here to cut you open and look for many bad tings, not tawk. Me love you long time.
6 posted on 04/20/2007 7:07:42 PM PDT by Jaysun (Pave the rainforest.)
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To: blam

There are only 17 dentists in all of Rwanda, so reports a dentist friend who is there at this very moment on a pro-bono training trip.


7 posted on 04/20/2007 7:30:40 PM PDT by theBuckwheat
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To: Jaysun

>>>
Putting a doctor through five years of medical school costs the taxpayer £250,000.
<<<

That’s not so bad, Based on figures published about a year ago in the Washington Times, it costs over $1 million to graduate a single high school student who is proficient at his grade level in math and science.


8 posted on 04/20/2007 7:32:28 PM PDT by theBuckwheat
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To: theBuckwheat

ooops, let me finish the astounding fact:

It costs over $1 million to graduate a single high school student who is proficient in math and science from the Washington DC public school system.


9 posted on 04/20/2007 7:33:51 PM PDT by theBuckwheat
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To: theBuckwheat

(premature post-ulation) To quick to hit the Post button.


10 posted on 04/20/2007 7:34:41 PM PDT by theBuckwheat
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To: blam

this is a good inside of social med.


11 posted on 04/20/2007 7:35:33 PM PDT by Gone_Postal (Communism works only in Heaven, where they don’t need it, and in Hell, where they’ve already got)
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To: outofstyle

Sounds like the old Soviet Union.


12 posted on 04/20/2007 9:06:27 PM PDT by Clock King ("How will it end?" - Emperor; "In Fire." - Kosh)
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To: Clock King

Let them set up private practices and see what happens.


13 posted on 04/20/2007 9:29:06 PM PDT by ClaireSolt (Have you have gotten mixed up in a mish-masher?)
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To: ClaireSolt

If they can’t find a place...let them eat cake.

vaudine


14 posted on 04/20/2007 9:49:56 PM PDT by vaudine
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