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To: paratrooper82

The GOA has never accomplished a single thing in the last seven years since I have been a member of FR. I have even asked GOA if they have ever done anything on their own and never received an answer.

You’re wasting your money by joining the GOA unless you think spam emails are worth something.

Check the banglist of the accomplishments of the NRA. Castle Doctrine, the lawsuit in behalf of the Katrina victims with the SAF, CCW laws, Manufacturer’s Protection Act, CCW protection in cars on private property....

The Brady bunch fear the NRA. They don’t fear the GOA. They don’t even know they exist.


37 posted on 04/20/2007 5:13:21 AM PDT by Shooter 2.5 (NRA - Hunter '08)
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To: Shooter 2.5
Shooter, This article is why I really dislike the NRA’s tactics, and I’m a member.
They are already negotiating from the 50 yard line.
The fact of the matter is you can either be on the Strategic Defensive or on the Strategic Offensive. Playing defense you fight to hold what you have, and by definition the other guy gets to play offense. On the offensive you attack their position and they have to defend it.
The NRA lost coming out of the gate. How you frame the problem sets the bounds of the discussion for possible solutions.
How does that work in this case
Was the problem at VT?
A: “Guns got in the wrong persons hands because we don’t keep the right data, aren’t willing to disbar more folks from owning guns, magazines too big, no waiting period etc. etc..?
Or is it?
B: “You will never prevent all of these events from happening; it could be terrorists the next time. The students in these situations have no way to defend themselves, and since in practical terms the police cannot protect every classroom in this country, never will?”
In the ‘A’ case we argue about how much harder we make it to buy a gun in this country, and about expanding the list of folks who cannot buy guns. This is endless. If the next adult mass shooter was in detention as a child, do we add ever having been sent to the counselor’s or principal’s office to the list of criteria for never owning a gun. That’s what Dingell will want. The NRA will get it lowered to three or more detentions between the 9th and 12th grades, and call it a victory.

In the B case we make them defend their “no guns in schools” position. We make them discuss how to make schools safe, how their solution will stop a shooting in progress etc. If they argue for a continued gun ban in schools we ask them for their fall-back plan if a gun does get there in the hand of a shooter. In this case they are defending the no CCW on campus (and a lot of other places) position, and having to make the case for not changing it.

On the Strategic Defensive the best you can do is NOT LOOSE, everything else is worst.
On the Offensive you can fail and still HOLD WHAT YOU HAVE, or take ground, advance your position and maybe get in some victories.


Then NRA is playing defense here. They are trying to limit damage. In this case the NRA has given up the high ground and is back to fighting on the gun banners terms which are that gun owners are the problem and the number of folks with guns need to be limited.
Strategically we should be arguing “Guns Save Lives”. .
The best we’re going to get out of this is a smaller list of disbarred folks.

43 posted on 04/20/2007 6:31:15 AM PDT by SWO
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To: Shooter 2.5
The GOA has never accomplished a single thing in the last seven years since I have been a member of FR.

There are excellent state associations with ties to GOA that have done wonders, without the GOA label, but with GOA support.

Which is better than the NRA surrender monkeys negotiating with those who would terrorize the Constitution. Legitimizing the efforts of the gun grabbers.

55 posted on 04/20/2007 7:24:01 AM PDT by Atlas Sneezed (Your FRiendly FReeper Patent Attorney)
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To: Shooter 2.5
Wayne from 1999.

First, we believe in absolutely gun-free, zero-tolerance, totally safe schools. That means no guns in America's schools, period ... with the rare exception of law enforcement officers or trained security personnel.

No qualifier before or after about whether this was high school or college.

So no... the NRA is hardly the hardliners on RKBA that you have historically made them out to be.

65 posted on 04/20/2007 8:58:39 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (What would a free man do?)
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