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PM blasts rabbi's Holocaust remarks [Reform Jews caused Holocaust]
Jerusalem Post ^ | 4-19-07 | HAVIV RETTIG

Posted on 04/19/2007 3:40:22 PM PDT by SJackson

Prime Minister Ehud Olmert Thursday condemned as "hurtful" and "spurious" comments made by former Sephardi chief rabbi Mordechai Eliyahu that the victims of the Holocaust were made to suffer because of the sins of the Reform Movement.

In a letter to Steven M. Bauman and Rabbi Uri Regev, the chairman and president, respectively, of the World Union for Progressive Judaism, Olmert wrote: "We recently marked Holocaust Martyrs and Heroes Remembrance Day here in Israel, and I was disturbed that it was precisely at this painful time that certain spurious comments were made regarding the cause of the horrors inflicted on our people, and unequivocally condemn any such hurtful expressions.

"Let me be clear," Olmert wrote, "the murder of more than six million of our brothers and sisters in the Holocaust was perpetrated by the evil and immoral Nazi regime and its collaborators. The only 'sin' committed by the victims was being born Jewish.

"The Reform Movement is a vital and vibrant part of modern Judaism, and the government and people of the State of Israel admire your contribution to Jewish life in Israel and the Diaspora," Olmert concluded.

Other angry responses to Eliyahu's remarks continued to be heard.

"Removing our Reform brothers and sisters from the camp does not contribute to unity, but rather sows the seeds of division and baseless hatred," Jewish Agency chairman Ze'ev Bielski wrote to former Sephardi chief rabbi Mordechai Eliyahu this week.

"Rabbi Eliyahu should remember precisely that the victims of the Holocaust came from all Jewish denominations, the secular along with the religious," suggested the Anti-Defamation League's Israel Office in a statement Thursday.

Olmert and the organizations were reacting to an interview given on pirate haredi radio station Kol Ha'emet ("The Voice of Truth"), in which Eliyahu was asked for what sin the Holocaust victims were punished. He replied that the victims were not to blame, but rather were made to suffer because of the sins of the Reform Movement.

"The Reformers started in Germany," he explained. "Those redactors of the Jewish faith began in Germany. We learn from this that it is forbidden to attempt to change Judaism."

Bielski told Eliyahu he "was shocked to hear your words relating the Holocaust to the rise of the Reform movement in Germany," and insisted that "your words could be interpreted as removing from the Nazi tyrant the responsibility, passing it on to our Jewish brothers."

The Anti-Defamation League further noted that Eliyahu's "argumentative use of the Shoah" was a "travesty of the memory of its martyrs."

Reflecting on Eliyahu's statements, Rabbi Michael Marmur, dean of the Jerusalem campus of the Reform Movement's Hebrew Union College, said he believes "the problem here is the deep perversity of claiming to know what it is that has caused the greatest cataclysm of Jewish history. It's saying, 'I, Rabbi Eliyahu, read about the Shoah, and it turns out there's an identifiable group to blame.'"

A child of Holocaust survivors, Marmur insisted that "calling [Eliyahu's statements] insulting hardly does them justice.

"What is it that allows a man like Eliyahu to give himself the right to behave in this kind of way?" he asked. "I think here there are political explanations. It's been our experience for years as Reform Jews in Israel that whenever a religious political party needed a boost, a little bit of Reform-bashing went a long way."

Eliyahu, who rarely consents to be interviewed, could not be reached for comment by press time.


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To: Zionist Conspirator
There is absolutely nothing that occurs that is not in some way governed by Divine Providence. To deny that anything has ever happened or ever could happen that is not in some way overseen by Divine Providence is utter heresy.

The Rabbi has to prove his case, in my view definitively given the potential for harm. Conclusive intervention in this fashion would require some form of prophesy, and likely some action against the laws of nature (which are Divine).

Reform Judaism had it’s early development in Germany, but I believe it’s first inklings in France, and developed independently in America in the early 18th century. Certainly gained critical mass in the mid 19th century in the US.

On a relative basis, the mid 20th century European population was more observant the the US Jewish population, which was largely reform.

Zionism, now accepted across the religious spectrum, was developed by secular Jews, who desired a return to the land of Israel. Observant Jews opposed the concept, as did early Reform.

As I noted earlier, more observant European Jewry was decimate in the Holocaust, American Jewry unscathed.

Should a reform Rabbi point to these facts, and state that the Holocaust was caused by observant Jews who refused to modernize religious practices, and opposed the secular return of Jews to Israel which led to the founding of a Jewish State after two millennia, I bet you’d have more to say than anything has ever happened or ever could happen that is not in some way overseen by Divine Providence. I certainly would, the concept is ludicrous.

We’re not disputing facts, I have no problem acknowledging Divine influence, rather causation. That’s a very different matter.

21 posted on 04/20/2007 12:01:48 PM PDT by SJackson (restoring the Jews to their homeland is a noble dream shared by many Americans, A. Lincoln)
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To: Zionist Conspirator
Rabbi 'Eliyyahu (shlita) should not be associated with Neturei Karta at all.,

Comparison was to the potential impact of the statements. Katrina caused by the Gaza withdrawl, the tsunami caused by failure to support Israel, those can be dismissed. Jews were to blame for the Holocaust, that's fodder for the enemy.

22 posted on 04/20/2007 12:03:59 PM PDT by SJackson (restoring the Jews to their homeland is a noble dream shared by many Americans, A. Lincoln)
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To: Alouette

I never pretend to be smart enough to know the mind of God. I missed out on all the creating-the-world bit.

But I do ask myself, “What is the recorded reason that God permitting the Babylonian sack and captivity?”

And then I look at the Reform movement.

(And I say this as a terrible apostate.)


23 posted on 04/20/2007 12:06:34 PM PDT by MeanWestTexan (Kol Hakavod Fred Thompson)
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To: MeanWestTexan
“What is the recorded reason that God permitting the Babylonian sack and captivity?”

The Talmud claims that the Babylonian exile was caused by idolatry, and by failure to observe the sabbatical laws of the land. The destruction of the 2nd Temple by the Romans was said to have been caused by senseless hatred.

There's still plenty of that going around.

24 posted on 04/20/2007 12:12:35 PM PDT by Alouette (Learned Mother of Zion)
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To: Yehuda

Notwithstanding all warts of the Reform Movement, it is still inappropriate fror the Chief Sephardi Rabbi to state or imply that it was a cause of the Holocaust. This is one of the few times that Olmert is correct.


25 posted on 04/20/2007 12:28:19 PM PDT by justiceseeker93
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To: spanalot

Don’t forget FDR, Eisenhower and Pope Pius XII.


27 posted on 04/20/2007 1:21:32 PM PDT by Tribune7 (A bleeding heart does nothing but ruin the carpet)
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To: Alouette

Sure. And plenty more.

People always forget this part:

And anger of the Lord will blaze against you, and he will close the heavens and there will not be rain,
and the earth will not give you its fullness.


28 posted on 04/20/2007 1:41:24 PM PDT by MeanWestTexan (Kol Hakavod Fred Thompson)
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To: Yehuda
I may have some misgivings about what/how the Rabbi said, but I'll take his COMMENTS over Olmerde ACTIONS any day.

Lest you misunderstand, I'm no fan of Olmerde and hope he is replaced as Israeli PM sooner rather than later.

29 posted on 04/20/2007 1:57:09 PM PDT by justiceseeker93
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To: SJackson
The Rabbi has to prove his case, in my view definitively given the potential for harm. Conclusive intervention in this fashion would require some form of prophesy, and likely some action against the laws of nature (which are Divine).

I don't know why you want to continue this argument when we have each made our positions clear and we are obviously not going to change each other's mind. But whatever floats your boat.

The Rabbi has to prove his case, in my view definitively given the potential for harm. Conclusive intervention in this fashion would require some form of prophesy, and likely some action against the laws of nature (which are Divine).

In no way does Divine Providence need miraculous interventions in the laws of nature. Perhaps you've heard of Megillat 'Ester, the whole point of which is that G-d is always at work even in the apparently natural and "random" events of history and everyday life. The fact that Purim comes one month before Pesach, which celebrates direct miraculous Divine intervention of the most obvious sort, is no coincidence.

As I noted earlier, more observant European Jewry was decimate in the Holocaust, American Jewry unscathed.

I thought you had read Rabbi Lapin's article in which he explains this. Furthermore, is it fair that Jews throughout history, including the most observant and pious, have had to pay for the sin of the Golden Calf? Nevertheless punishment for this sin continues to be meted out in each generation.

I certainly would, the concept is ludicrous.

It is not ludicrous. It is simple fact, and to deny G-d's All-Embracing Providence (Hashgachat Kelali and Hashgachat Peratit) is heresy.

We’re not disputing facts, I have no problem acknowledging Divine influence, rather causation. That’s a very different matter.

Perhaps you didn't read my statement that exactly how human freewill and Divine Providence can be simultaneously true is beyond the understanding of mere humans on this side. I don't understand your need to scientifically classify and understand these Divine mysteries that are completely over our heads.

I don't know how both are simultaneously true. I don't need to know. I only need to acknowledge that they are.

30 posted on 04/20/2007 3:17:22 PM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (Please pray for the refu'ah shelemah of Yehudah Ben Rivqah, father of Binyamin Jolkovsky.)
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