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To: nopardons

The Republican party is (or was) the conservative party. Are you a conservative?


49 posted on 04/19/2007 2:47:04 PM PDT by Jim Robinson
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To: Jim Robinson
I am a CONSERVATIVE and always have been. I have also always been a Republican; unlike many posters here.

The GOP is not CONSERVATIVE and never has been. This is a very new terminology. When it was started, it was an abolitionist party, with many of it's members also being prohibitionists. Over the years, it has been a party of isolationists, pro-war, pro low taxation, and a variety of other things. We say that it is "conservative", now, but it has never really been a 100% purist conservative party.

It would be better to stick with the FF's terminology : FEDERALIST and ANIT-FEDERALIST, though even that is somewhat misleading; especially today.

56 posted on 04/19/2007 2:56:04 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: Jim Robinson
The Republican party is (or was) the conservative party. Are you a conservative?

JimRob, some of us think the Republican Party has not been conservative for quite some time. GHWB was certainly no conservative. GWB is not a conservative, although he is pro-life. When we had a majority in congress, they did very little that was conservative.

About the only think in the Republican Party that is conservative is the rhetoric. Giuliani refuses to engage in the rhetoric, and in spite of the fact that I disagree with him on abortion and guns, I must admire his courage in refusing to pander the conservative activists in the party. The activists are in the minority, as we will see when this all plays out.

Either you do not have a handle on the pulse of the American people, or Zogby, Rasmussen, Gallup and the like don't. Because they all say Giuliani is quite a popular guy with the public.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/national.html

The one thing I think you will find about Rudy is that, like Reagan, the criticism will flow off him like water off a duck. He was innoculated from criticism the day his city was devastated by the terrorists, and whosoever attacks him loses credibility themselves, in the collective minds of the public at large. That is an advantage the Republican Party cannot afford to ignore, especially given the current state of affairs.

This is no longer a conservative country, I am afraid, JimRob, just as California is no longer a conservative state.

If you want to be relevant, you take the best coalition you can get. Giuliani is the only guy who can get us to a majority in 08, and more and more Republicans (yes, conservatives like Steve Forbes and T. Boone Pickens as well) are seeing that.

I guess you'll not be posting photos of the president's day and holding inaugural balls after Rudy wins. You'll become more of a niche and less mainstream, but that may well be a good thing for conservatives in the long run.

As for me, I think he is going to win, and I'd rather have some influence over the guy than be on the outside looking in.

85 posted on 04/19/2007 3:15:11 PM PDT by massadvj
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