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‘I found Saddam’s WMD bunkers’
Melanie Phillips.com ^ | April 19, 2007 | Melanie Phillips

Posted on 04/19/2007 3:13:26 AM PDT by aculeus

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To: CharlesWayneCT

That construction seemed odd to me also........


61 posted on 04/19/2007 7:13:35 AM PDT by Osage Orange (Getting honest answers from Congress...is like putting socks on roosters.)
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To: jammer
Now, we're supposed to believe a report from melainephillips.com instead?

It was published in The Spectator a venerable British magazine and reposted to her site.

As she notes in her last paragraph "Of course we don’t know whether any of this is true." Neither do I, but I consider it post-worthy.

62 posted on 04/19/2007 7:17:31 AM PDT by aculeus
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To: jammer

http://www.spectator.co.uk/the-magazine/features/29092/i-found-saddams-wmd-bunkers.thtml


63 posted on 04/19/2007 7:22:21 AM PDT by aculeus
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To: joseph20
Could it be that President Bush has made a very strategic decision to withhold information that would be incredibly damaging to the Russians and others?

Not to protect the Russians or anybody else... But here's one idea:

After the fall of Baghdad, we faced the task of searching something like 10,000 ammo depots for chem/bio weapons. If it becomes known then that there ARE chemical shells and agents free for the taking all over the Iraqi landscape, then Al Queda would obviously be looking for them too, and they'd likely find some. This would be bad. The U.S. would be to blame for WMD falling into the hands of terrorists, which was what we rightfully were trying to prevent by taking down Saddam.

No amount of troops could have secured all of the sites quick enough. So... you create a fiction and fall on your sword for them never being there in the first place, while you take the time to search and destroy without competition.

That, and a whole bunch of it went to Syria.

64 posted on 04/19/2007 7:25:03 AM PDT by Ramius ([sip])
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To: aculeus

ping


65 posted on 04/19/2007 7:39:53 AM PDT by Volunteer (Just so you know, I am ashamed the Dixie Chicks make records in Nashville.)
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To: weegee
No question the right arguments are there; the 'Reason'; the absolute necessity for intervention; but of course, they are seldom called up. . .The Left's myth has taken hold and in so many measures; has almost done us in. Meantime, the Wilson's fame - bought on by their lies and orchestrated and perpetuated by the Left et al, are now enhanced further and immortalized - or soon to be - on film.

Any anyone who dares to carry the truth of the matter risks condemnation and/or ridicule.

That said, we must all press on with the truth. . .perhaps it will expand to such; that it can no longer be contained . .

66 posted on 04/19/2007 8:05:47 AM PDT by cricket (If you want to lose a mile; give a Lib an inch. . .)
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To: All

I have been debating how to post an experience that happened to me recently, and will I do so now in a deliberately vague way because I do not wish this writing to get back to the source. But it did happen and it troubled me deeply.

I met someone who appears frequently as a security expert on a major cable news channel. This person has a long background as a member of the U.S. military. The conversation drifted to the war in Iraq, and this person launched into a long diatribe against the administration. While I do not believe all members of the armed forces share the same political views, the extent of the rather far left talking points this person espoused was remarkable.

The “lecture” included claims that the intelligence community knew the exact location and amounts of all chemical, and biological agents in Iraq before the war, and that GW cherry picked data to buttress the WMD case, that the war was just to take out Saddam for going after “Bush’s daddy”, and that the administration is guilty of violating the first, second, and third Geneva conventions. A litany of violations of the Constitution were enumerated, and parallels drawn to the fall of the Roman Republic. Furthermore he stated that the generals all hate Bush and if this was any other country there would have been a coup.

I am open to the possibility that Bush did gin up an excuse to invade Iraq, if the reason was a greater strategic end. Such a fact would be troubling to me, perhaps I would even consider it worthy of impeachment despite noble intentions, but it would be something wrong done for the a greater good. However, I do not buy the blood for oil line, and when this person started the old “Cheney and Rove are Bush’s brain” chestnut, sirens immediately began going off in my head.

While I am sure of this person’s general background, I am not so convinced that the claims to inside knowledge and direct interaction with many players in the Iraq war planning are as valid. Lots of folks exaggerate their resumes.

In any event, I was deeply troubled by what I heard. Have those of us who have supported this administration been duped by a corrupt regime? Has this person had some sort of life changing experience that has turned him against his former life in arms? Is he simply saying what the media wants to hear in order to get work?

Whatever the truth is, this individual is helping to shape public attitudes toward the War on Terror, in both news outlets and dramatic shows and movies. If there is anyone who has detailed knowledge of the planning and intelligence prior to the invasion of Iraq, or who may feel they might know who such an individual might be and can provide more background, feel free to send a private message. I would like to get to the bottom of this.


67 posted on 04/19/2007 8:35:03 AM PDT by SoCal Pubbie
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To: aculeus

Whoa Hoa! The dots are starting to get connected. The commie peaceniks are going to have lots to answer for.


68 posted on 04/19/2007 8:43:47 AM PDT by jonrick46
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To: ken21

The liberal establishment (political, academic, media) denies that the Stalin’s USSR was attempting to influence US policy through inflitration of American political, academic, and media institutions.

The KGB files have come out and shown that this was so.

Don’t expect the historical record to clear up after any incriminating evidence comes to life.

There are Holocause deniers who are given credence around this world. There are those who deny that Bush won 2 elections and that in 2002 (between those two elections) Republicans won MORE seats.

We cannot have an honest debate with the other sides because they refuse to concede established details.


69 posted on 04/19/2007 8:59:35 AM PDT by weegee (Libs want us to learn to live with terrorism, but if a gun is used they want to rewrite the Const.)
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To: aculeus
I'd heard a bit about this awhile ago, this should be interesting. Thanks for posting it.

BTTT /bookmark for later research.

70 posted on 04/19/2007 9:29:02 AM PDT by 4woodenboats (Another vulgar lib tossed out like yesterday's news-Oh, that was yesterday's news....)
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To: aculeus
My first thought was, twelve years in the OSI, what was his rank? Why don't they mention his military record?

Every award has a name. I separated out with two ribbons. That may sound important to a civilian but if I say that they were the GCM and the NDSM it’s not impressive at all.

If he retired as a Tech Sergeant, that is less credible than a Lt. Colonel. The standardized periodic report of an NCO would be more easily lost or destroyed than a formal mission report of an officer. I would like to know more before I jump up and down with glee over this story.

71 posted on 04/19/2007 9:57:34 AM PDT by higgmeister (In the Shadow of the Big Chicken)
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To: aculeus

Ping for later read.


72 posted on 04/19/2007 10:06:03 AM PDT by RedCell ("...thou shalt kill thine enemy before he killeth you by any means available" - Dick Marcinko)
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To: driftdiver
I thought there weren’t any WMD? Even when there is proof the mad hatter liberals insist on painting our military and President as incompetents.

Assuming that this story is true, it proves that the military and the president are bigger idiots than the liberals ever suspected. It means that the entire reason for going to war was stolen right out from under our noses.

73 posted on 04/19/2007 10:07:42 AM PDT by Zeroisanumber (Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?)
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To: aculeus

bookmark


74 posted on 04/19/2007 10:07:53 AM PDT by spinestein (Long live the new media!)
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To: weegee
There is a shadow government

Sure, but it's not hidden. It's right out in the open every day.

75 posted on 04/19/2007 10:10:36 AM PDT by RightWhale (3 May '07 3:14 PM)
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To: Zeroisanumber

“Assuming that this story is true, it proves that the military and the president are bigger idiots than the liberals ever suspected.”

I don’t buy that. Out of what were probably thousands of reports of WMD they were supposed to expend resources they didnt have enough of on this one. The WMD probably was in these but was carted out on the trucks that left for Syria shortly before the war.

The Libs just want to paint America as the stupid war mongers. Nothing ever makes them happy except to see a socialist dictator take power. They care nothing for the millions of Iraqi’s that died under Saddam or the millions that would die if we left now.


76 posted on 04/19/2007 10:16:54 AM PDT by driftdiver
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To: higgmeister
I saw his URL above that says he was a GS-12 and the reviews and awards were positive. Knowing that all military evaluations and commendations are written with frills and flowery language, he apparently did an acceptable job. I’ll keep an open mind about his story and just hope for further proof. I have always felt that all the actual weapons were spirited to Syria a few months before the fighting. I now feel that some material was dumped into the Euphrates.
77 posted on 04/19/2007 10:17:15 AM PDT by higgmeister (In the Shadow of the Big Chicken)
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To: CharlesWayneCT

And worse, if I’m reading the article correctly, the contents of those bunkers were moved to Syria, by Iraqi, Syrian and Russian agents AFTER the invasion. How would we have missed that??


78 posted on 04/19/2007 10:34:24 AM PDT by Tatze (I'm in a state of taglinelessness!)
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To: aculeus
WMD....

That train has left the station. No one cares, least of all the DBM. Anna Nicole, global warming, the quagmire in Iraq, Gun control, and Corzine's accident are much more important!!

Old news....move on!!

79 posted on 04/19/2007 10:38:35 AM PDT by PISANO
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To: All

Notice that the guy isn’t sure the WMD’s were still in the buker.

He might have discovered an empty bunker, he never entered it.

The only point here is that he discovered a bunker of WMD’s, because there was radiation and material outside that let think there was.

He might have learnt after that this was moved by Iraqis, Syrians and Russians, and he may think it happened after the invasion.

Probably not true. Happened before.


80 posted on 04/19/2007 10:39:35 AM PDT by drzz
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