Re: Precisely how many mass shooters have to turn out to have adopted Muslim names before we get it?
Posted on 04/18/2007 5:28:39 PM PDT by LibWhacker
First it was Johnny Muhammad, now it was Cho Sueng Hui aka Ismail Ax. Precisely how many mass shooters have to turn out to have adopted Muslim names before we get it? Islam has become the tribe of choice of those who hate American society. I'm not talking about people who grew up as Muslims, confident and secure in their faith, good fathers, sons and neighbors. I'm talking about the angry, malignant, narcissist loners who want to reject their community utterly, to throw off their 'slave name' and represent the downtrodden of the earth by shooting their friends and neighbors.
This morning I read that the Virginia Tech shooter died with the name Ismail Ax written in red ink on his arm. The mainstream press doesn't seem to have a clue as to what this might mean. To quote Indiana Jones, "Didn't any of you guys go to Sunday School?"
The story starts with a man named Abraham. He is the father of the Jews, the Muslims and the Christians. He was born in Iraq, the son of a wealthy idol manufacturer. He came to believe that there was only one true God and, according to tradition, took up his ax and destroyed his father's idols.
Eventually he left Iraq and moved to what is now known as Israel. He had a son with his concubine whom she named Ishmael. The Muslim world prefers the Arabic spelling of the name: Ismail. Eventually Abraham had a son by his rightful wife and named the son Isaac. Ishmael and his mother were disinherited and sent out into what is now Saudi Arabia. Isaac became the heir.
Eventually, God decided to test Abraham by telling him to kill his son, Isaac. Abraham took up the knife, but God stopped him at the last moment. Isaac lived and eventually became a man of great wealth. Ishmael became a desert warrior chieftain.
The Jews are the descendants of Isaac, the Arabs are the descendants of Ishmael.
In the 7th Century, Muhammad, the founder of Islam, re-wrote the story, claiming that Ismail was the true faithful descendant of Abraham and that it was he, not Isaac, who God told Abraham to sacrifice. Ismail was the one saved. For Muslims, Ismail (not Isaac) was the true 'Son of Sacrifice.' In the original version of the story, Abraham used a knife, in some of the later Muslim versions, he used an Ax.
Flash forward 1,400 years: a sullen, angry young man who rages against rich people and apparently against Christians, writes a play in which a mother and son try to kill his step-father, but in the end the boy (age about 13, the age many think Ismail was when he was exiled) is murdered by the step-father with 'a deadly blow'. Father issues? Yeah, I think so.
Cho Sueng-hui cum Ismail Ax hated the American society to which he had been brought 15 years earlier. His play McBeef (a poor pun from an English Lit major on Macbeth) is one endless screed against the corruption of American culture. A cheesy re-telling of Shakespeare's Hamlet, it involves a young man abused by his step-father, a former NFL football player. The son, throws epithets at his father calling him a 'Catholic priest'. And makes derisive comments about McDonalds. It seems that none of the foundational structures of Western Civilization, Christianity, capitalism, family, are spared his rage. In other words, he really meant what he said in his last words: "you (that is us, America) made me do this."
Imagine that...and English major at an American university that has learned to hate America, our culture, our economic structure, and Christianity...
If I were an enterprising young reporter I’d be looking for some of the other English majors who went to school with this nut to interview in the hope of finding out if he’s been fed a steady diet of anti-American propaganda in his college courses.
Anyone want to make a bet?
In Virginia, however, there is no way for store owner to see if a gun purchaser has been institutionalized.
Even illegal aliens have a God-given right to self-defense. I’m disarmed when I go to other countries. Should I lose my right to self defense just because I travel away from home?
I could be wrong, of course, just my hunch. I wonder whether people are scouring online videogame logs/servers for whether someone commonly used a character name "Ismail Ax" on online Quake or Warcraft or whatever is popular now. People really should be because that's the first thing I thought of, and the first place I'd look.
I grew up with an Ismael... he was a good Catholic and has a great job with lots of kids....
.......
(at a loss for words )
That WOULD be gun control. The problem here wasn't that a nut could get a gun or an alien could get a gun. The problem was that so many other people qualified to own guns didn't have them when they needed them, thanks to gun control, fear of litigation, liberals, conditioning, etc.
Cool names that project power are more like: Spike, Butch, Slasher, Striker, Demon, etc.
Names such as: Poindexter, Leslie, Chauncey and Ismail do not.
Ismail! Be a good boy and fetch my ax!
Its not AX - its ‘triangle’ & ‘X’ as in the Playstation buttons.
Probably the commands for shoot and reload in a first person shooter.
Ismail is on the credits of SOCOM US Navy Seals first person shooter. Or it could be the shooter’s PS2 handle..If his PS2 handle is Ismail my theory is that it
is a “reminder” to keep firing and reloading.
The shooter was a kook, who in normal circumstances (Pre-Sheepleization) would have been taken out by spectators before the 2nd magazine.
How do we know that all the videos have been released.
If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then it's a duck.
Even many here at FR deny this. They don’t want to face it.
I watched a report on NBC (local) that the remote reporter throughout her story pronounced Cho as "Joe".
"You thought it was one pathetic boy's life you were extinguishing. Thanks to you, I die like Jesus Christ, to inspire generations of the weak and the defenseless people."
His stepfather’s name was Bishop. his actual last name was Bishara.
As in Sirhan Bishara Sirhan?
Yes, though they are probably unrelated.
It was the only Bishara I could come up with on short notice. LOL
Well, I don't know that I'd toss Ismail in with those other three, but either way, that's really in the eye of the nickname-chooser, methinks. Part of my theory is that Muslim-seeming names will project power to the young generation in particular because (if only subconsciously) they see the reality - Muslims are the ones doin' all the killing. If 'Ismail' doesn't connote this for you it may just mean that you didn't grow up in a time when Muslims were outwardly so, um, fierce.
And in any event, he didn't choose merely the name 'Ismail'. It's 'Ismail Ax'. Whether my videogame theory is true or false, it's pretty reasonable to think that the 'Ax' is intended to add to the fierceness.
It's just that 'Ismail Ax' so clearly stands out to me as a teenager's stupid made-up nickname. To me, it just obviously fits in more with 'Darth Giblets' or 'Master Exploder' than it does with an adopted-Muslim name such as 'John Muhammed' or something.
But like I said, just a hunch.
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