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Va. Tech Killer Ruled Mentally Ill by Court; Let Go After Hospital Visit
ABC News ^
| April 18, 2007
| NED POTTER and DAVID SCHOETZ
Posted on 04/18/2007 1:55:30 PM PDT by Ben Mugged
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To: angkor
Actually, I must correct you: It appears from my research that a court-ordered commitment to a mental institution is also a disqualifier.
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posted on
04/18/2007 2:19:01 PM PDT
by
Lazamataz
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To: Ben Mugged
Thanks. I couldn't get your first one to work. According to your link, and in order for you to retroactively "exclude" the subject, you'd have to demonstrate that he was mentally-ill at the time of entry. Which in this case, if I recall, was in 1992. Not an easy task, even in an administrative hearing.
42
posted on
04/18/2007 2:19:12 PM PDT
by
1rudeboy
To: 1rudeboy
He had been cited for doing 44 in a 25. When I lived in VA 15 over was automatically reckless driving. Probably why he had to appear in court.
43
posted on
04/18/2007 2:20:07 PM PDT
by
pa mom
(God bless Tech--and I'm a Wahoo!)
To: Halls
They believe we are all good, but just need education to make sure we stay good. Leftists think the solution to our prison population is to give the criminal class sufficient education that they are smart enough to not get caught.
44
posted on
04/18/2007 2:20:11 PM PDT
by
Reeses
To: Mach5
Yes. Both guns were bought this year.
45
posted on
04/18/2007 2:20:11 PM PDT
by
varyouga
("Rove is some mysterious God of politics & mind control" - DU 10-24-06)
To: Halls
There are so many reasons why this young man should have been stopped before he got to the point of committing these awful crimes. There are a number of people who failed to act responsibly in dealing with his mental condition.
46
posted on
04/18/2007 2:20:18 PM PDT
by
popdonnelly
(Our first responsibility is to keep the power of the Presidency out of the hands of the Clintons.)
To: Ben Mugged
47
posted on
04/18/2007 2:20:39 PM PDT
by
pa mom
(God bless Tech--and I'm a Wahoo!)
To: Lazamataz
It was just an idea. Something clearly went very wrong with the background check system to allow this to slip through the cracks - it’s not like “Seung-Hui Cho” is a very common name in America like “John Smith”, so that reason is ruled out.
Look for the liberals to claim that this proves the background check system is broken because the Republicans didn’t throw enough money at, that an instant background check system “just won’t work”, and that therefore the only answer is to ban private ownership of firearms.
48
posted on
04/18/2007 2:20:51 PM PDT
by
CFC__VRWC
(Go Gators! NCAA Football and Basketball Champions!)
To: Ben Mugged
"VT Killer Taken To Psychiatric Hospital, Ruled Mentally Ill, & Then Let Go"LOL! You're nuts! Get out of here!
...and don't come back!
49
posted on
04/18/2007 2:21:06 PM PDT
by
spunkets
("Freedom is about authority", Rudy Giuliani, gun grabber)
To: CFC__VRWC
Not sure you guys are seeing this: "National and state databases are accessed simultaneously at the time of transaction. Four are maintained by the Virginia Department of State Police, accessible by the Virginia Criminal Information Network (VCIN): Virginias wanted and missing persons files and protective orders, Virginias criminal history record files, a calendar file on handgun purchases required to monitor and enforce lawful handgun limitations and Virginias database of adjudications of legal incompetence and incapacity, and involuntary commitments to mental institutions.
http://www.vsp.state.va.us/Firearms_VFTP.shtm
50
posted on
04/18/2007 2:21:12 PM PDT
by
angkor
To: Ben Mugged
I should also warn you that your law review article is dated 1959. You have almost fifty years of intervening law to research.
51
posted on
04/18/2007 2:21:55 PM PDT
by
1rudeboy
To: Lazamataz
Actually, I must correct you: It appears from my research that a court-ordered commitment to a mental institution is also a disqualifier.Of course it is Laz.
The minimum threshold is a court adjudication that one is mentally ill, which is what happened here.
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posted on
04/18/2007 2:23:18 PM PDT
by
angkor
To: angkor
Yup.
As I commented, NICS failed, as it is supposed to be linked to VCIN. Even if it’s not, VCIN had to be checked separately anyway. And VCIN didn’t catch him.
53
posted on
04/18/2007 2:24:58 PM PDT
by
Spktyr
(Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
To: Lazamataz
HIIPA allows patient record transfers with proper law enforcement requests.Court records are by definition public records. His court adjudication would not be covered by HIPAA.
54
posted on
04/18/2007 2:25:25 PM PDT
by
angkor
To: angkor
Anyone looking into just how well all these databases talk to one another? My guess is that such an investigation will turn up yet another big government boondoggle fueled by unlimited money and zero accountability.
Which means this story will really sink like a stone if the media gets its way.
55
posted on
04/18/2007 2:25:49 PM PDT
by
CFC__VRWC
(Go Gators! NCAA Football and Basketball Champions!)
To: P-40
"if it gets to the level where a Court has declared you mentally deficient, it has to be. I'll check that out though."Those records are included by law in several midwestern States. Check VA law.
56
posted on
04/18/2007 2:25:59 PM PDT
by
spunkets
("Freedom is about authority", Rudy Giuliani, gun grabber)
To: spunkets
It is going to be interesting to find out just what happened...or didn’t happen.
57
posted on
04/18/2007 2:27:27 PM PDT
by
P-40
(Al Qaeda was working in Iraq. They were just undocumented.)
To: CFC__VRWC
As of 25 April 2005, VA funding for VCIN was greatly increased. If they’re complaining that NICS is underfunded, that’s fine - since VCIN is both linked to NICS *AND* had to be consulted separately anyway, it means that he should have been caught in any case. This may mean that an instant background check is pretty much useless and worse than nothing.
58
posted on
04/18/2007 2:27:55 PM PDT
by
Spktyr
(Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
To: 1rudeboy
I know it’s not politically correct to be logical, but there has to be some way to deport resident aliens who are insane.
59
posted on
04/18/2007 2:28:12 PM PDT
by
Ben Mugged
(Always cheat; always win. The only unfair fight is the one you lose.)
To: angkor
"National and state databases are accessed simultaneously at the time of transaction. Four are maintained by the Virginia Department of State Police, accessible by the Virginia Criminal Information Network (VCIN): Virginias wanted and missing persons files and protective orders, Virginias criminal history record files, a calendar file on handgun purchases required to monitor and enforce lawful handgun limitations and Virginias database of adjudications of legal incompetence and incapacity, and involuntary commitments to mental institutions.The system failed.
60
posted on
04/18/2007 2:28:16 PM PDT
by
Lazamataz
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