Posted on 04/18/2007 1:29:40 PM PDT by harwood
Just heard anchorette report this on pMSNBC
He signed his suicide note “A. Ishmael”.
Sounds like he switched to the R.O.P. to me.
Similarly his belief that he is a martyr when he is the perp. That is a R.O.P. trait also.
Of course. After all, YOU post.
he is perfectly centered in the video clips I am seeing now - where did he make them, did he make them by himself? I wonder if he used digital video via a PC to make them, or just a camcorder?
do we know if the tape has been released in its entirety?
there is a thread just staring about 9/11 and Canada has the link
how about ‘hero’ with a stray ‘l’ at the end.
No contest there in the brains dept. ;)
“Cho sent photos and rambling letter to NBC.
Can anyone say, “Dan Rather?”
LMFAO
No, I didn't film Cho and being snarky doesn't help you any.
<< What we have here is a real life, home-grown leftist terrorist! >>
Agreed, I think that is the most likely explanation.
I found it interesting that when Brian Williams flipped through the guy’s pdf, the pages were mostly pictures except for what seemed to be 4-5 pages of single-spaced text at the end, which he just breezed over.
Also, the MSM clearly knows more about what is in his note, they have access to people who have it and can read it to them, and all we hear is vague things like “he didn’t like rich kids.”
I’d bet that text and the note are just full of leftist drivel that one might read on any typical thread at DU and which pervades prevailing thinking in the English Lit academic community. The MSM knows this will all come out, but they want to drag it out a bit because now they have the agenda set on gun control.
As to Ishmael, the a-hole Cho may have adopted the “Ishmael” persona for the same reason many writers, such as Melville and that idiot that wrote the book about the telepathic ape “Ishmael” have used it in their work.
Ishmael, in the biblical story, is the son of the bondwoman Hagar, and not the wife Sarah, and he is rejected and driven away to the wilderness, becoming an outsider. So liberal writers like to use the “Ishmael” persona as representative of an outsider in order to assume a position of wider perspective (as I say, Melville did this in Moby Dick and the idiot who named the telepathic ape “Ishmael” seems to have done this also). The liberal writers don’t really understand the Bible, but they like to employ Biblical allusion because they seem to think it adds a sort of weightier resonance to their work.
Cho, being an English Lit, radical lefty, might have adopted the Ishmael persona himself because he saw himself as the alienated outsider, like the Columbine losers, who is able to pass judgment over everyone from his loser outsider’s perspective.
Anyway, I find that to be the most interesting speculation as to Ismail/Ishmael so far, but I certainly wouldn’t at this point rule out other possibilities.
I’ve been around my somewhat senile street atlas for Blacksburg, looking for something with that ‘ol’ near the end that’s the right length. No joy. I did get a chance to take a look at where the two post offices are relative to the campus. They’re to the northeast, a few blocks away.
And Ismail Ax isn't Islamic. the Ax part is what's more important to find out about.
All of the crazy jumping to conclusions, here. these past few days, makes FR look silly.
LOL! You really didn't film Cho?
As for being "snarky," nothing could help you!
Then google the name Al Barghouti and Palestinian (I did it because Blitzer kept saying he was from a well known family), there are poets, politicians, and terrorists with the same last name. Hopefully it was all coincidence.
That’s a place-holder search site. Nothing to it.
MSNBC is reporting that “Ismael Ax” was written on his arm, not “Ismail Ax”.
Considering it was something written on his arm with who-knows-what before a heavily dressed guy is running around shooting people, and the initial media report may have been from someone talking to someone who just HEARD what someone else said was written on his arm, it’s likely the whole Ismail thing may be bogus.
You said — “I know nothing will ever come of this, but I’m still puzzled by the coincidental appearance of a Palestinian student taking video and audio of the actual massacre. In his own words, he ran towards the gunfire, not away from it, then became a media star for a day because of it.”
Don’t turn this into a conspriracy nut comment, here. I know what you’re talking about — but you’re portraying it in a *loaded* way — and not the way it was presented on TV.
You’re talking about the cel phone video shot by a guy who was a student passing by the building. This guy looks like he was getting in his car to leave (I think I saw a windshield wiper blade on the camera shot, that’s why I say that).
He *did not* take any pictures of the massacre. He was outside like a lot of other students happened to be that day. Heck, there were even students *inside* that building who happened to leave the classroom at a particular time (on the very same floor) and did not even know there was shooting going on. I saw an interview of that, by a girl who said that (she was on the same floor and didn’t know what was going on).
Anyway, this guy saw a bunch of cops with their guns out. He thought something was up, so he started shooting from his cel phone. He’s far away and you can barely make out the details of who these cops are. He’s the one that makes it clear that they are cops. They are outside the building. He is outside the building. You hear “pop, pop, pop” on the sound — gunfire. He said he wasn’t sure if the cops were firing or the shooter was firing. However the shooter is inside the building and no one can see him. So, you dont see any massacre, all you see is a few cops, hunkering down low, hear a few “pops” and the video is over in a few seconds.
It’s over because another cop came up behind him and told him to get out of there in a hurry and *run*. So, he did.
That was it. Nothing more sinister than that. No Palestinian, no scenes of the massacre — just a few cops hunkering down, a few pops and then the cops says to get out of there.
So, as I say — you’re greatly misrepresenting this video...
I saw it on the web site of CNN. I also downloaded the video. It was interesting to see it....
Regards,
Star Traveler
Thank you again. You are making things so much clearer for me. I suppose it may have done no good after all, even with the correct diagnosis.
Still, I wonder why they were satisfied with the diagnosis of depression. As I understand it (and we know news reports don’t always get it right), he was referred for treatment by the court after at least two female students complained he was stalking them and sending threatening messages. I realize that stalking is hard to verify. Still, someone who is simply depressed doesn’t stalk women and send threatening messages.
True, the counselors might never have been told of his other odd behaviours as observed by his roommates, classmates and professors(like writing on the walls, taking pictures of people during class, having imaginary friends, etc.). And wasn’t there something about setting a dorm room on fire?
I certainly don’t want our country to become like the old USSR where anyone who was odd or politically incorrect could be thrown in the loony bin. Still, I wish there were some way that those who are dangerously mentally ill (like this kid) could be helped or at least somehow contained. I suppose that isn’t really possible.
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