Posted on 04/17/2007 7:58:26 PM PDT by Lando Lincoln
AOL News has obtained two plays a classmate says were written by Cho Seung-Hui. Ian MacFarlane, the former classmate and current AOL employee, provided us with the plays. A note from Mr. MacFarlane and links to the works appear below......
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This brought us 9-11.
His view of how other people live their lives is very twisted and bizarre.
I wonder what his family life was like. I haven’t heard of any statements from his family. It must not have been a very “healthy” situation. Of course, that’s just speculation on my part. Sometimes the apple falls far from the tree despite the parents’ best intentions.
This is one sick twisted kid.
Catholic hater, women (his mother) are whores, pedophilia, gay anal sex, and a desire to kill all wrapped up in a short play that would describe what goes on in the psychotic mind of the average jihadist.
“He went to a regular American high school.”
That may have been the reason for his poor language skills.
Please, let’s leave the education debate out of this thread.
He moved here at the age of 8 from South Korea, and more than likely English was a second language in his home.
Cho’s obession with violence and his twisted view of the American way of life are what’s being examined here.
what’s really suprizing that the “teacher” didn’t take these “plays” and submit them to the school psychologist. The kid was obviously deeply disturbed, a threat in fact to eaveryone around him. I gues this is “normal’ however, to some of the proffessors out there.
Had he been in grade school, (and been white) no doubt he would have been yanked out of class like that other kid a year or so back for writing down his thoughts.
This school is responsible in part at least for not having flagged this kid long ago. No wonder they are yanking everything from school records.
“The play’s the thing, wherein I’ll catch the conscience of...”
A futile exercise for Hamlet, and for those who’d identify mass murderers.
From an ABC report:
http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=3048108&page=1
Lucinda Roy, a co-director of the creative writing program at Virginia Tech, taught Cho in a poetry class in fall of 2005 and later worked with him one-on-one after she became concerned about his behavior and themes in his writings.
Roy spoke outside her home Tuesday afternoon, saying that there was nothing explicit in Cho’s writings, but that threats were there under the surface.
Roy told ABC News that Cho seemed “extraordinarily lonely—the loneliest person I have ever met in my life.” She said he wore sunglasses indoors, with a cap pulled low over his eyes. He whispered, took 20 seconds to answer questions, and took cellphone pictures of her in class. Roy said she was concerned for her safety when she met with him.
She said she notified authorities about Cho, but said she was told that there would be too many legal hurdles to intervene. She said she asked him to go to counseling, but he never did.
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I wonder if he was evaluated for some variety of “high functioning autism” such as, for example,
http://www.ninds.nih.gov/disorders/asperger/asperger.htm
http://www.med.yale.edu/chldstdy/autism/aspergers.html
since his reported behavior (before the shootings) at least suggests this as a possibility.
From the conclusion of:
http://www.autism.org/asperger.html
“Researchers feel that Asperger’s syndrome is probably hereditary in nature because many families report having an ‘odd’ relative or two. In addition, depression and bipolar disorder are often reported in those with Asperger’s syndrome as well as in family members.
“At this time, there is no prescribed treatment regimen for individuals with Asperger’s syndrome. In adulthood, many lead productive lives, living independently, working effectively at a job (many are college professors, computer programmers, dentists), and raising a family.
“Sometimes people assume everyone who has autism and is high-functioning has Asperger’s syndrome. However, it appears that there are several forms of high-functioning autism, and Asperger’s syndrome is one form.”
How did you get asperger syndrome out ot the clinical description you referenced? When I read the description in your link, what popped into my mind was Hillary.
Pure evil. Someone on the freep described him as a malignant narcissist. Spot on.
take a look...
Hollywood will make them into movies.
Mark my words.
How did you get asperger syndrome out ot the clinical description you referenced? When I read the description in your link, what popped into my mind was Hillary.
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What I said was: “I wonder if he was evaluated for some variety of “high functioning autism” such as, for example,...”.
Asperger’s syndrome happens to be a variety I’m familiar with, but there are evidently several others. As an example of an individual who has the “different consciousness” of this subset of the human population, consider the following links.
http://iautistic.com/what-is-autism.php
http://iautistic.com/autistic-label.php
http://iautistic.com/autism-myths-theory-of-mind.php
http://iautistic.com/autism-theory-of-mind-revisited.php
I don’t know much about Hillary, but it would be interesting if there were some good “spectrum measuring” tests that might place her somewhere on “the scale”. Unfortunately, this is a very murky subject with a lot of outstanding puzzles and diagnostic tests of limited usefulness and resolving power. Thus, the “autism spectrum” or “scale” seems to be more of a metaphor waiting for better tools to make it an illuminating theory rather than just a convenient place holder for a set of mysteries we are in the very early stages of exploring.
This might also be of some interest:
http://artsci.wustl.edu/~probbins/knowingme.pdf
“You ain’t kidding. I’ve got some theories (granted, pure arm-chair quarterback speculation) on what drove him to this.
Pure evil. Someone on the freep described him as a malignant narcissist. Spot on.”
I think, being a non-citizen, that his writings should’ve been enough to have his visa revoked, placed in detention, and summarily deported without appeal.
The kid??? He was 23 YEARS OLD!!! In my mind, that's NOT a kid!
For what it’s worth: I think this guy listened to too much rap music, watched too many raunchy tv shows.
In “Richard McBeef”, John, the son, was the heavy - Richard, the stepfather, was okay. I could understand why John behaved the way he did with a mother like Sue! She fought his battles for him, and refused to discipline him. Cho did not honor the woman. She was certainly no roll model!
I think Cho used his writing to express his hostility, if not hatred, of his school mates, and Americans in general. To Cho they were all infidels.
In “Mr. Brownstone”, I think he had watched James Earl Jone’s play which involved a lottery ticket, with a similar ending.
I haven’t listened to rap music, but I understand it is wrought with four letter words and disgusting scenarios. You can’t watch tv for five minutes before a steamy bedroom scene pops up. To a muslim, if he was muslim, all these things would easily set him off.
I am not making excuses for the terrible thing Cho did. I am just saying I am still inclined to think that what he did - he did for “Allah”, and the bullet in the face was his suicide ticket to paradise. (After all, he had no bomb. He had no airplane.)
I do think it very odd and disturbing that an Imam prayed to Allah at the memorial, but the Son of God was never mentioned by the Lutheran minister.
He moved here at the age of 8 from South Korea, and more than likely English was a second language in his home.
What was his frame of reference at 8. Better or worse than today? From the South Pacific musical, 'you've got to be taught to hate'.
Cho’s obsession with violence and his twisted view of the American way of life are what’s being examined here
Exactly! He was not taught the Ten Commandments, and especially, Thou shall not kill. IMO, it's all about education.
Virginia Tech fails in not providing an education, nor security. Duke U also is run by idiots, ie, Thou shall not bear false witness.
Luckily the average families instill these values into their children, but higher education washes a lot of it away. The likes of liberal democrat Dershowitz, imo, of OJ fame, is what is wrong in our universities.
This case has nothing to do with gun control or lack thereof, and everything to do with the ADA and the other PC laws that have veloved in our country related to mental illness. This kid’s professors were alarmed, and reported him to deans, campus police, and campus counseling service. One professor tutored him privately a few times, apparently at the suggestion of an academic, who offered this as an alternative to dropping him from the class. This prof (Lucinda Roy) was sufficiently scared of him that she arranged a code with her secretary, that if she called the secretary on the phone and mentioned a dead professor’s name that meant it was time to call security.
From an NYT article http://www.nytimes.com/2007/04/18/us/18virginia.html?hp
“Lucinda Roy, an English professor, said Mr. Cho’s writing, laced with anger, profanity and violence, concerned several faculty members. In 2005, she sent examples to the campus police, the campus counseling service and other officials. All were worried, but little could be done, she said.
Ms. Roy said she would offer to go with Mr. Cho to counseling, just to talk. “But he wouldn’t say yes, and unfortunately I couldn’t force him to do it,” she said. Students were also alarmed that Mr. Cho was taking inappropriate pictures of women under desks, she said.”
What the hell is wrong with the laws in this country that nobody can force this obviously psychopathic kid into a psychiatric exam, and get him locked up in a secure hospital where he belonged? HE was left in charge of deciding what to do about the demons in his sick mind, even though it was obvious to many, many people in positions of authority at the college where he was a student, that he was not equipped to handle himself. But we’re all told over and over again that “mental illness is just like any other illness” and it’s subject to all the excessive privacy laws and to all the excessive protections of the ADA. And any school official who tried to force him to see a counselor or psychiatrist, or who tried to expel him from the school, would get sued and end up paying this kid a bundle.
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