Posted on 04/17/2007 12:35:05 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
An article in Monday's editions incorrectly characterized the position of Richard Land, president of the Southern Baptist Convention's Ethics & Religious Liberty Commission, on the 2008 candidates for president of the United States. Mr. Land has said he would not vote in the presidential election for any candidate if Rudolph W. Giuliani were the Republican presidential nominee. Mr. Land also has said he is "pro-life" and could never vote for a pro-choice candidate such as Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton.
(Excerpt) Read more at washtimes.com ...
Republican '08 options disappoint evangelicals (Land: would vote for Hillary over Rudy) ***...Richard Land, president of the Religious and Ethics Liberty Commission of the Southern Baptist Convention, takes a hard line against virtually all the major Republican candidates. He says he'd vote for Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton, New York Democrat, over Mr. Giuliani if the 2008 presidential race came down to such a choice. And if Mr. Giuliani wins, "he'll do so without social conservatives," Mr. Land said. .....
I am not an evangelical, but I am equally disappointed. There will be no box for conservatives to check in good conscience this presidential election.
Land said he would vote for Hillary, and now he’s backtracking. He’s as big a flip-flopper as Kerry and as phony an apologist as Durbin.
Ping
The president of the Southern Baptist Convention’s Ethics & Religious Liberty Commission would never say he would vote for pro-abortion pro-gay Hillary Clinton. It’s just not logical. It was an obvious Wash Times mistake.
Bill Clinton, a Southern Baptist, would never support partial-birth abortion, or call for special protection laws for gays, or be a Democrat.
Oh, wait.
Land realized how bad he would look if people thought he would vote for Hillary, hence his backtracking.
“Land said he would vote for Hillary, and now he’s backtracking. He’s as big a flip-flopper as Kerry and as phony an apologist as Durbin.”
Can you show me where he said that? There is no direct quote from him saying that in the original article.
Combine that fact with this statement:
“An article in Monday’s editions incorrectly characterized the position of Richard Land, president of the Southern Baptist Convention’s Ethics & Religious Liberty Commission, on the 2008 candidates for president of the United States.”
They admit they mischaracterized his statements.
This is all the original article included:
Richard Land, president of the Religious and Ethics Liberty Commission of the Southern Baptist Convention, takes a hard line against virtually all the major Republican candidates. He says he’d vote for Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton, New York Democrat, over Mr. Giuliani if the 2008 presidential race came down to such a choice. And if Mr. Giuliani wins, “he’ll do so without social conservatives,” Mr. Land said.
Mr. Land says the religious conservative leaders he knows don’t trust Mr. McCain either.
“Do we have any reason to believe that his being pro-life would have anything to do with who he would nominate to the Supreme Court?” Mr. Land told CNN’s Paula Zahn. “It’s that kind of uncomfortability with his unpredictability — the maverick nature that makes him so popular with independents — that gives conservatives pause.”
The claim made about his remarks were without a direct quote .
Haven’t you learned yet that the media likes to twist everything conservatives say?
Sorry, #9 was supposed to go to JillValentine. I hit the wrong reply button.
I got mine, Pro-Life, Pro-2nd Amendmant, Anti-Illegal, Strong on the Wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. He’s a Ranger from Vietnam, who’s son is preparing for his third tour to Iraq. Duncan Hunter.
January 1999 Issue
President Clinton’s Spiritual Enablers
Reaping an Unholy Harvest
by R. Albert Mohler, Jr.
...In a nutshell, grassroots Southern Baptists arose in the late 1970s and, over the course of two decades, overthrew a liberal denominational regime that had championed a vision of Baptist identity in which Bill Clinton had felt securely at home. The denomination’s conservative leadership, repulsed by the President’s behavior and outraged at his policies on abortion and homosexuality, has called for the President to resign. The exiled liberal element, who prefer to call themselves moderates, love the President’s policies and believe that his series of embarrassing escapades should by no means bar the completion of his term. They have become his Baptist enablers. (snip)
Tellingly, it turns out that Woodward interviewed Richard Land, the conservative president of the SBC’s Ethics and Religious Liberty Commission, but chose not to use any of his statements. The ERLC is the successor to Valentine’s Christian Life Commission. In the course of a recent denominational restructuring, the SBC changed the name of the agency, at least in part to indicate a break with the CLC’s positions under Valentine, and the BJCPA under James Dunn. Land told Woodward what he evidently did not want to hear. “Bill Clinton must have inhabited a very different Southern Baptist universe from mine,” noting that he is the same age as the President. “To me Foy Valentine was a radical liberal undermining Southern Baptist beliefs.” Thankfully, not all Southern Baptists of his generation followed the President’s example. (snip)
I’m trying to understand what Land may have said that caused the press to say he’d vote for Hillary. Maybe he said something like, “I’m so disgusted with Rudy that I could vote for Hillary,” maybe being sarcastic about voting for Hillary, without realizing what the reaction to his statement would be. In any case, he should have known what the media would do and shouldn’t have given them any wiggle room to pull and tug at his statement. Disgust with Rudy is fine, but to bring up Hillary as a viable alternative, even sarcastically, isn’t a smart thing to do, especially with the state of the media today.
And no, there’s no relation to the other Valentine. :-)
Oops, I sent this to private mail by mistake!
Land is already on record on Mar. 22:
Thursday, March 22, 2007
RICHARD LAND WOULD NOT VOTE FOR MAYOR GIULIANI
Excerpt:
If the choice for president in 2008 is between Rudi Giuliani and Hillary Clinton, Richard Land says he’ll skip that portion of the ballot.
It’s all right. I got it.
It is right that the correction was made.
This is the Character of the Republican Party.
If it does not support Rudy, make something up.
It reminds me of what many of us are tired of.
The old, If you don’t vote Rudy you are voting Hillary.
Shameful.
Land never said it.
It was the same kind of logic used around here.
The “If you don’t vote for Rudy you are voting for Hillary”
Is that so hard to figure out?
Geesh
Thanks for the ping!
No. If that were so, the article would say so. This is a CORRECTION. Land NEVER said he’d vote for Hillary, the newspaper reporter MISREPORTED the facts.
As often as that happens, you’d think FReepers would have a little bit of skepticism when people post articles that have unfathomable statements in them.
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