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China military build-up scares Asian neighbors
The Jakarta Post ^ | April 16, 2007 | Michael Richardson

Posted on 04/16/2007 11:45:42 AM PDT by sukhoi-30mki

China military build-up scares Asian neighbors

Michael Richardson, Singapore

China has been astute in many ways in improving its relations with other Asian states. It has courted neighbors with favorable trade deals and, increasingly, with aid, investment and its flow of outbound tourists. While China has piled up huge trade surpluses with the United States and Europe, most of its Asian partners are pleasantly surprised to find that they are selling much more to the dragon economy than they are buying.

The big flaw in China's courtship of Asia is its military build-up and the widespread perception that it may be designed to displace American power with Chinese hegemony. Just last month, Beijing unveiled another major increase (of nearly 18 percent) in annual defense spending. It insists that a lot of the rise will go towards better pay and conditions for its 2.2 million military personnel.

However, Japan, India and other wary neighbors also observe the progress of China's military modernization and its acquisition of submarines, warships, aircraft, missiles and other weapon systems that enable it to project power much further away from its shores. Since China has longstanding disputes to land or sea territory with India, Japan and several Southeast Asian nations, as well as Taiwan, it is hardly surprising that these countries suspect that Beijing will one day be tempted to enforce its claims with military muscle.

So China's moves in defense diplomacy are watched closely by its neighbors. After a lamentably slow start, the Chinese armed forces are becoming a bit smarter. They have been exchanging regular officer visits with Asian countries, holding bilateral training exercises and taking part in some regional security talks. There has been a striking increase in China 's participation in United Nations peacekeeping operations.

The most recent addition to the outreach program was evidently intended to send the message that China is ready to be a significant player in regional military cooperation, just as it is in diplomacy, trade and investment. For the first time ever, the Chinese navy joined a multinational maritime exercise last month.

It sent two missile-armed frigates to take part in counter-terrorism training in the Indian Ocean with ships from seven other nations. The operation used NATO instruction manuals and English as the language of command, which suggests that the Chinese navy is keen to become increasingly involved in interacting with counterpart forces that communicate in English.

Hosted by its long-time ally, Pakistan, the live-firing drill also included ships from the U.S., Britain, France, Italy, Malaysia and Bangladesh. China's participation was a reminder that it has important trade and energy interests to protect in the Indian Ocean region. Most of its seaborne commerce with Europe passes through the Suez Canal while around three-quarters of its vital oil imports come from the Middle East and Africa via the Indian Ocean and Southeast Asian waters.

Late last month, two Chinese navy destroyers visited Indonesia. It was the first such call in 12 years. China has a lot of catching up to do before it can integrate easily into regional military training exercises. On April 6, five Indian navy ships were scheduled to start six days of maneuvers (ending April 11) with the U.S. navy off Okinawa in southern Japan.

The Indian flotilla is on a two-month deployment to East Asian waters. By the time it ends on May 23, India will have exercised with the navies of Singapore, Japan, China, Russia, the Philippines, Vietnam and New Zealand as well as the U.S.

For the first time, the navies of India, Japan and the U.S. will team up for training. The trilateral exercise will take place off Japan on April 17. Some analysts have suggested that this is a sign of a new power balance emerging in Asia in which the old strongman, the U.S., is enlisting the support of Japan and India to counter the rise of China in league with Russia.

But India has been careful to ensure that its naval foray into the Pacific cannot be misconstrued by Beijing. On the same day several of its ships train with the Japanese and U.S. navies, other vessels from the same flotilla will exercise with China off the Chinese coast.

Then, to reinforce New Delhi's message of "friends with all and enemies to none", the Indian ships will come together again before heading to Vladivostock to exercise with the Russian navy.

The writer, a former Asia editor of the International Herald Tribune, is a Visiting Senior Research Fellow at the Institute of South East Asian Studies in Singapore.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Japan; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: china; india; indonesia; japan; pla; taiwan; vietnam
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1 posted on 04/16/2007 11:45:45 AM PDT by sukhoi-30mki
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To: sukhoi-30mki
"China military build-up scares Asian neighbors..."

...I don't know why. Listening to the commentary here at FR, China is building up for a massive confrontation with the US, not its neighbors.

2 posted on 04/16/2007 12:20:01 PM PDT by VaBthang4 ("He Who Watches Over Israel Will Neither Slumber Nor Sleep")
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To: VaBthang4

It’s ridiculous that even with the still-massive capabilities gap with the U.S. it’s already part of the common language and discourse that China is well on its way to displacing America. Speaks a lot to our utter lack of attention paid to Asia in the last half decade.


3 posted on 04/16/2007 12:23:39 PM PDT by Sandreckoner
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To: CarrotAndStick; Gengis Khan; familyop

When China Invaded India

The 1962 Chinese Invasion

Brahma Chellaney

(c) Hindustan Times

At sunrise on October 20, 1962, China’s People’s Liberation Army invaded India with overwhelming force on two separate flanks – in the west in Ladakh, and in the east across the McMahon Line in the then North-East Frontier Agency. The Chinese aggression, and the defeat and humiliation it wreaked on an unprepared India, remain deeply embedded in the Indian psyche.

India was taken completely unawares by the invasion. This reflected political naivete on its part. It also bared a woefully flawed intelligence network that failed to pick up the movement of heavy artillery and other Chinese military activity along the Himalayan frontier in the months ahead. The invasion of India was carefully planned well in advance and came after extended military preparations, including the improvement of logistics and the movement of heavy artillery from opposite Taiwan to Tibet, where PLA had since its annexation maintained infantry troops in large numbers to suppress the local population without the need to induct heavy weaponry. That began to change by the spring of 1962, but Indian intelligence remained horrifically oblivious.

Decades later, some gnawing issues stand out. One relates to the timing of the invasion masterminded by Mao Zedong. The aggression was executed cunningly to coincide with the Cuban missile crisis that brought the United States and Soviet Union within a whisper of nuclear war.

The timing, which precluded the possibility of India getting any immediate outside help, was made doubly favourable by two other developments – an American promise earlier in July to hold Taiwan from initiating hostilities across the straits that enabled China to single-mindedly mobilise against India, and Soviet leader Nikita Khrushchev’s subtle yet discernible tilt towards Beijing on the Sino-Indian border issue in an apparent effort to buy Chinese support in the looming Soviet confrontation with the United States.

Two key interrelated questions need to be addressed. Why did Mao order the invasion? And having captured most of the forward Indian military posts in both sectors in the first wave of assaults, why did Beijing carry out a second, more vicious round of attacks after a gap of three weeks? Mao had several objectives on his mind in turning border skirmishes into a full-fledged war. None was military.

Mao’s aims were mainly political. The military objectives had largely been achieved in the earlier years through furtive PLA encroachments that had, for example, brought Aksai Chin under Chinese control. The PLA – not an independent power centre then – was merely an instrument to help Mao accomplish his political objectives in 1962. Roderick MacFarquhar, in the third and final volume of his masterwork, The Origins of the Cultural Revolution, published in 1997, aptly calls the aggression “Mao’s India War”.

The first political objective was to humiliate India, China’s Asian rival. Mao was determined to cut India to size and to undermine what India represented – a pluralistic, democratic model for the developing world that seemingly threatened China’s totalitarian political system.

The PLA’s military adventure against India was clearly punitive in nature, a judgement reinforced by Premier Zhou Enlai’s ready admission that it was intended “to teach India a lesson” – a lesson India has not forgotten to this day. The second wave of assaults was designed to heap ignominy by soundly thrashing India. Such have been the long-lasting effects of the humiliation it imposed that China to this day is able to keep India in check, despite transferring weapons of mass destruction to Pakistan and opening a new strategic front through Myanmar.

Another aim of Mao was to wreck the image of Nehru, who until then had been a towering figure on the international stage and an icon in many parts of the developing world. Nehru stood diminished and demolished by November 1962. Defeat, especially decisive defeat, usually turns a statesman into a beaten, worn-out politician and shatters a nation’s international standing. The crushing rout, in fact, hastened Nehru’s death.

But more than Mao, it was Nehru who contributed to his own disgrace by blundering twice on China. His first blunder was to shut his eyes to the impending fall of Tibet even when Sardar Patel had repeatedly cautioned him in 1949 that the Chinese communists would annex that historical buffer as soon as they installed themselves in Beijing. An overconfident Nehru, who ran foreign policy as if it were personal policy, went to the extent of telling Patel by letter that it would be a “foolish adventure” for the Chinese Communists to try and gobble up Tibet – a possibility that “may not arise at all” as it was, he claimed, geographically impracticable!

In 1962, Nehru, however, had to admit he had been living in a fool’s paradise. “We were getting out of touch with reality in the modern world and we were living in an artificial atmosphere of our creation,” he said in a national address after the Chinese aggression.

Nehru had ignored India’s military needs despite the Chinese surreptitiously occupying Indian areas on the basis of Tibet’s putative historical ties with them, and setting up a land corridor to Pakistan-occupied Kashmir through Aksai Chin. Although Indian military commanders after the 1959 border clashes and casualties began saying that they lacked adequate manpower and weapons to fend off the PLA, Nehru ordered the creation of forward posts to prevent the loss of further Indian territory without taking the required concomitant steps to beef up Indian military strength, including through arms imports. Nehru had convinced himself grievously that the Chinese designs were to carry out further furtive encroachments on Indian territory, not to launch major aggression.

A third objective of Mao was to undermine India’s non-aligned status. No sooner the PLA began the first wave of assaults than an unnerved Nehru appealed to the United States for military help. He implored that Washington grant military aid without insisting on a formal alliance. But no U.S. military aid came while the Chinese were still attacking India. Kennedy waited until Khrushchev’s capitulation over missiles in Cuba before sending Nehru a letter promising “support as well as sympathy”.

When the PLA launched the second series of attacks, the U.S. carrier force, USS Enterprise, steamed not towards the East or South China Sea but towards the Bay of Bengal to serve as a psychological prop to the besieged Indians. John Kenneth Galbraith wrote in his memoirs, Ambassador’s Journal, that he had, as U.S. Ambassador to India, recommended the despatch of the aircraft carrier to ease Indian nerves.

Once Beijing declared a unilateral cease-fire, the issue of U.S. arms sales to India got caught in the perennial and still-prevalent U.S. demand – that New Delhi open talks with Pakistan on Kashmir – forcing the Nehru government to hold five rounds of futile discussions with Islamabad as a quid pro quo for receiving low-line American arms. The Chinese aggression was seen in Washington as creating an opportunity for what America has always desired and still seeks to pursue – closer and better ties with India while maintaining old bonds with Pakistan – to help promote ‘regional stability’, a euphemism for subcontinental balance.

A fourth objective of Mao, who had been seething over Nehru’s grant of sanctuary to the Dalai Lama and his followers, was to effectively cut off India’s age-old historical ties with Tibet. In one stroke, all outside links with Tibet – religious, temporal, cultural, medicinal and trade – collapsed. This meant that Tibetans could no longer maintain their ancient ties with Gaya, Sarnath, Sanchi and other seats of monasteries, and that Indians no longer had access to Mansorovar Lake and Mount Kailash.

Fifthly, the war came handy to Mao for domestic politics. At a time when China’s economic calamities, including famines, and Mao’s insistence on a domestic class struggle were spurring grassroots problems, the swiftness and brute power with which he managed to teach India a lesson not only boosted China’s image internationally, but also helped him to politically consolidate at home. Success, after all, has a thousand fathers, while defeat leaves an orphan.

What Indian policy did not appreciate then and has yet to come to terms with is that the invasion was triggered more by a Chinese ambition to dominate Asia than by a territorial dispute. In that sense, 1962 represented far more than the loss of national pride or territory for India; it meant the beginning of an undeclared war for pre-eminence in Asia – a raging war in which India has steadily lost ground, with China making inroads into even the traditional spheres of Indian influence, including Nepal, Sri Lanka, Myanmar and Bangladesh.

For Mao, it was a victory for the asking, because the Indian leadership had made no effort to plug the glaring vulnerabilities in the defence of India. In true Sun Tsu style, however, Mao waited for the right time to strike, invading India when it least expected to be attacked. The PLA’s preparations to invade India started after 1959 but were camouflaged in the form of extended border negotiations that Beijing held with New Delhi.

Border negotiations with India were employed not only to feign reasonableness but, more importantly, to buy time for military consolidation and to bide time for the right opportunity to strike. The building of border roads after 1959 was indicative of the Chinese efforts to upgrade military logistics along the mighty Himalayas.

In the same vein, the current series of largely fruitless border talks since 1981 – the longest continuing inter-state negotiations in post-World War II history – serve as a cover for China to pursue containment of India with engagement.

Also, in a fashion reminiscent of the current Beijing approach to depict all Chinese actions as defensive and peaceful, Mao sought to paint India as the provoker with its ‘forward policy’ – a line of reasoning lapped up by some biased Western analysts, particularly a self-confessed Maoist, British journalist Neville Maxwell, who contended in his book, India’s China War, that it was India that had been the aggressor.

When the PLA marched hundreds of miles south to annex Tibet and establish a Sino-Indian military frontier for the first time in history, that was supposedly not expansionist or forward policy. But when the Indian Army belatedly sought to set up posts along its unmanned frontier in Ladakh to try and stop further Chinese land grabs, this was christened ‘forward policy’ and dubbed provocative!

The Indian predilection for talk rather than action was on brazen display in the run-up to the 1962 war. This was best illustrated by Nehru’s offhand remarks to reporters while leaving for Colombo on October 12: “Our instructions are to free our territory. I cannot fix the date, that is entirely for the Army”. Such loose talk was a god-send to the Chinese communists to fix the date for their attack.

Mao needed no Indian provocation to launch a military attack. He was provoked by his own logic to defeat the alternative model that India represented and the ideas and principles that Nehru symbolised. Had India not started building forward posts, Mao would have found some other pretext to attack India.

In fact, Nehru, the architect of the Hindi-Chini bhai bhai festivity, had gone out of his way to propitiate communist China, accepting even the Chinese annexation of Tibet in a 1954 agreement without settling the Indo-Tibetan border. While Nehru thought he had bought peace with China by accepting Chinese rule over Tibet on the basis of his doctrine of panchshila, or the five principles of peaceful co-existence, Mao and his team read this both as a sign of India’s weakness and a licence to encroach on strategically important areas of Ladakh.

Not only did the Nehru government cling to the belief that China was a benign neighbour despite the 1959 border clashes, its thinking and policy also precluded the defence of India on the Kautilyan principle that to maintain peace, a nation had to be ready to defend peace.

Official policy had steadfastly refused to consider China to be a military threat, let alone to adopt counter-measures against the threat. Forward posts were created not to militarily assert India’s claims by positioning troops at vantage points but to affirm a political line. It was for reason that these posts were thinly manned and often on low ground in direct contravention of military logic. In fact, the yawning mismatch between the officially encouraged perception of China and the ‘benign’ neighbour’s brutal aggression added to the severity of the shock that battered India.

So betrayed was Nehru by Mao’s war that he had this to say on the day the Chinese invaded: “Perhaps there are not many instances in history where one country has gone out of her way to be friendly and cooperative with the government and people of another country and to plead their cause in the councils of the world, and then that country returns evil for good”.

Four decades later, India has not forgotten the central lesson it was taught by Mao. India’s rise as a military power with independent nuclear and missile capabilities is the consequence of a lesson learned. Had the debacle not set in motion India’s military modernisation and reform of its defence techniques and strategies, India would not have fared well against Pakistan in the 1965 and 1971 wars. In fact, without the post-1962 military buildup, it could well have lost the Kashmir valley to Pakistan in 1965. However, with foreign policy still being shaped by personal predilections and idiosyncrasies rather than by institutional processes, India continues to repose faith in adversaries and then cries foul when they deceive it, as Kargil showed.

II

A Question of Timing

Brahma Chellaney

Mao directed two double-front attacks on India within a span of about a month. In the style recommended by ancient Chinese strategist Sun Tzu who authored the treatise, The Art of War, Mao chose an exquisite time for perpetrating a ‘Himalayan Pearl Harbour’ against India.

The first wave of assaults on Indian border positions in Ladakh and NEFA began on October 20, 1962, five days after the CIA formally determined the presence of medium-range ballistic missiles in Cuba on October 15 through reconnaissance photographs taken the previous day, triggering a major U.S. showdown with Moscow.

A day before the PLA launched the attacks on India, Radio Moscow was citing U.S. naval manoeuvres in the Caribbean as preparations for an invasion of Cuba. And the day the Chinese forces came pouring across the Himalayas, U.S. President John F. Kennedy had already put into effect a naval quarantine of Cuba. By the time the Chinese halted their weeklong incursions into NEFA, while continuing to pick and target Indian posts in Aksai Chin, the Cuban missile crisis had brought the world to the edge of a nuclear Armageddon.

Not content with the PLA’s battlefield victories against the outnumbered and outgunned Indian forces, Mao decided to launch a second wave of military assaults on India while the Americans and Russians were still embroiled in the Cuban crisis. The threat of a nuclear holocaust had eased after Khrushchev gave in on October 28 and agreed to withdraw the nuclear-armed missiles from Cuba. But the missile crisis was still lingering, with troops in Cuban military uniform taking up positions around the Soviet missile sites and strongman Fidel Castro refusing UN on-site inspections in Cuba as well as the withdrawal of Il-28 bombers.

Making the most of the continuing global preoccupation with the Cuban missile crisis, and rushing to capitalise further before the abating crisis wound up, Mao employed the PLA for a second round of two-front attacks on India starting on November 18, a day before Castro gave in to the withdrawal of Il-28s.

So scared were Indian policy-makers by a self-created fear that Calcutta would be bombed that they did not employ their superior air force against the invading Chinese, ignorant as they were of the fact that China had only one or two airfields in Tibet and that its fighter aircraft (including Ilyushin 24) were distinctly inferior to India’s British-made Hunters. Had India employed its offensive air power, it could have overcome its tactical disadvantage of lacking artillery in Ladakh and been in a position to hit hard the foot and mule columns of the Chinese in the Tawang area. But New Delhi was possessed by an irrational fear of Chinese retaliation against Indian cities – a fear that created a sense of panic in Calcutta.

According to Colonel Anil Athale, who has co-authored the official history of the aggression, “the best-kept secret of the 1962 border war is that a large part of the non-military supplies needed by the Chinese reached them via Calcutta! Till the very last moment, border trade between Tibet and India went on though Nathu La in Sikkim. For the customs in Calcutta, it was business as usual and no one thought to pay any attention to increased trade as a battle indicator.”

And such was the panic in New Delhi to the advancing Chinese columns in NEFA that Jawaharlal Nehru thought the fall of the plains of Assam was imminent and pretty nearly said good-bye to the people there in a national broadcast. On the evening of November 19, as the Army’s 4 Corps began preparations to pull out from Tezpur, a panic-stricken move that triggered the collapse of the local administration by the following day, Nehru told the nation: “Huge Chinese armies are marching into the northeast of India ... yesterday we lost Bomdila, a small town in Kameng division. .. my heart goes out to the people of Assam”. Till this day, Assamese extremists cite Nehru’s ‘abandonment’ of Assam to stir up secessionist sentiment.

But on November 21, coinciding with Kennedy’s formal termination of Cuba’s quarantine, Beijing announced a unilateral ceasefire and its intent to withdraw from NEFA while keeping the gains on the west. The first U.S. emergency military supplies to India began arriving by November 24 while the Chinese withdrawal from India’s northeast started from December 1. Mao knew it would not be wise to continue waging war on India after the United States was free from the Cuban missile crisis.

Copyright: The Hindustan Times, 2002

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4 posted on 04/16/2007 12:30:51 PM PDT by sukhoi-30mki
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To: sukhoi-30mki

It should scare its neighbors. Considering that China still considers itself an empire, everybody else is just a potential conquest. And if the U.S. is cowed into retreating from any foreign enterprises by a democrat Congress, then China will be unopposed and ‘Asian’ will become another word for ‘Chinese’


5 posted on 04/16/2007 12:44:12 PM PDT by bpjam (Never Give Up, Never Surrender (Unless Nancy Pelosi gives you permission))
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To: sukhoi-30mki

That article on the Chinese invasion of India was damn good reading. Thank you for posting this.


6 posted on 04/16/2007 1:47:33 PM PDT by struwwelpeter
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To: struwwelpeter

It’s only one side of the story.


7 posted on 04/16/2007 2:07:34 PM PDT by ribosomal soup
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To: sukhoi-30mki
Thank you very much for the historical account--yet more that nearly all of us (Americans) are unaware of.

To deviate from the main topic for a moment,...

"The big flaw in China's courtship of Asia is its military build-up and the widespread perception that it may be designed to displace American power with Chinese hegemony."

...we Americans haven't thought of our country as an empire or of ourselves as subjects of one. We've been concerned with our own little lives and very local issues. When I was a boy, I met some Hindu boys from India in south Texas. They were tall, healthy and nice--very open, honest and polite. They formed my few thoughts on India for more than half of my life.

I met a Pakistani during young adulthood in a steelwork shop. He was a short, mean-tempered, volatile maniac, who told us that he was also becoming a "petroleum engineer." One time, after hearing a religious comment about Jesus from a young, black, Christian evangelical man, he ranted and raved that "Jesus was a pig!" He did so loudly enough, that everyone in the shop heard him.

Those were my only memorable meetings with people from around India before I was in my 40s, and my only exposure to Indian literature (ancient) was from a university.

Thus, our economic and political leaders have done what served their desires regarding India until very recently, except for any Indian-American lobbyists involved.

For all of our relative wealth and educations on domestic topics, we have been a simple people, concerned about our own neighborhoods, friends and personal lives.
8 posted on 04/16/2007 2:56:15 PM PDT by familyop (Essayons (has-been))
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To: sukhoi-30mki
hahahaha what a load of Bakwaas. Leave it to Brahma Chellaney, the only person who could possibly be more idiotic would be Rajeev Srinivasan. Only the Bhindians could get everything bass ackwards yet bask in their own delusional self importance at the same time.

A couple of points

1) That the Cuban missile crisis and the Sino-Indian war overlap some was because of some circumstance, fortuitous or grim depends on your perspective. Not necessarily cunning machinations.

2) The second Chinese offensive began as a result of Nehru's rejection of the ceasefire, withdraw, and negotiation proposal by the Chinese offered 4 days into the fighting. It wasn't some nebulous plot by Mao but simple strategic reasoning that having secured the upper position, China was in a strong bargaining position to end the conflict with minimal losses in its favor. Naturally something this simple is beyond the cognitive abilities of so-called Indian strategic thinkers, thus it was the perfidious Chinese out to humiliate the Indians!

3) The Indians could not have done a thing regarding Tibet, well besides whining at the U.N., which ironically the PRC was not a member of at the time.

4) None of the territory disputed in question even belonged to India. The entire Indian claim is based on a forgery created by a former British viceroy which the British themselves did not acknowledge.

5) India was building outposts and sending out patrols even beyond territory based on the invalid British claim.

6) U.S. aid was in fact delivered to India during the middle of hostilities. Due to the remote location, U.S. cargo plains were flying to resupply the Indian Army via air drops. That the Indians never made any use of it was because most of it ended up in Chinese hands. The Indians were retreating so fast that U.S. air drops were being deposited behind Chinese lines.

7) India's age old historical ties to Tibet amounted to something between Jack & Squat. The only ties between the two was when the British Raj annexed a portion of Tibetan territory,

8) The Sino-Indian war was virtually insignificant at the time. It's importance to China is somewhere along the lines of the U.S. invasion of Grenada.

9) The War was directly because of the territorial dispute, triggered by Indian revanchism.

10) The Indian air force was in fact quite inferior to the PLAAF at the same time period. At that time, India's principal combact aircraft consisted primarily of WW2 vintage Hurricanes and Gnats augmented by about a hundred French Super Mysteres and Ouragans as well as the Hawker Hunter. China's superior Mig-19's numbers ran into the thousands. China did not operate any IL-24's. In fact, there is not a Soviet fighter designated as an IL-24. That India's air force could have made a difference is a myth oft savored by Indian's with distinctly small penises. India's air force was not guaranteed air superiority over the PLAAF, in fact it was operating at both a quantitative and qualitative disadvantage. The Indian air force did not have the munitions, spares, equipment, or maintenance to sustain any sort of meaningful air to ground sorty rate. Considering the sloppy nature of bombing at the time, it was even less likely that they would even inflict any damage with their meager supplies. The Indians simply do not understand the difference between having the theoretical capacity and being able to effectively put it into use.

11) The Chinese cessation of hostilities was because of the PLA having achieved all operational objectives in the Sino-Indian war. Not because of the anything else. In fact, the Chinese ceasefire was in effect already on November 19,

9 posted on 04/16/2007 4:14:10 PM PDT by cmdjing
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To: VaBthang4

Since the end of WWII, China has engaged war with, invaded and illegally occupied: Manchuria, Inner Mongolia, East Turkestan, Tibet, South Korea, Vietnam, India, USSR, and Philippine. China has territorial disputes over certain islainds, and disputes with Philippine, India, and Japan. No one around China trusts China, except Pakistan becuase China rapidly invades. China is a threat against the world, and there is always chance China will again invade its neighbors.


10 posted on 04/16/2007 6:19:53 PM PDT by Wiz
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To: Wiz

That’s a very narrow view of China (or any nation-state) you have there. Not everyone agrees with your definition.


11 posted on 04/16/2007 6:44:48 PM PDT by ribosomal soup
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To: ribosomal soup

You are a Chicom?


12 posted on 04/16/2007 6:56:45 PM PDT by Gengis Khan
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To: Wiz
No one around China trusts China, except Pakistan becuase China rapidly invades.

Yawn. No one around India trusts India. No one around Japan trusts Japan. No one around Singapore trusts Singapore. Welcome to Asia. Everyone hates everyone else. What else is new?
13 posted on 04/16/2007 7:21:37 PM PDT by ribosomal soup
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To: ribosomal soup

I have studied about East Asia at college under a tutor that has once worked for White House and an expert on China. It’s well known that Russians and Vietnamese hates Chinese. If you don’t think so, ask one of them.


14 posted on 04/16/2007 7:23:08 PM PDT by Wiz
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To: ribosomal soup
No one around Japan trusts Japan

I don't know if you would accept US as a neighbor, but I think the relationship between the two are good these days. Relationship between neighbors are not often good, but that is not always the case.
15 posted on 04/16/2007 7:27:23 PM PDT by Wiz
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To: cmdjing

You are.....very knowlegeable....wow....!


16 posted on 04/16/2007 8:07:15 PM PDT by gaijin
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To: cmdjing

Yawn,,,more Commie Chinese propaganda from Comrade Jinjing.Dish it out elsewhere.


17 posted on 04/16/2007 8:14:39 PM PDT by sukhoi-30mki
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To: cmdjing; sukhoi-30mki

I stopped reading when I came across ‘Bhindian.’ That told me everything I needed to know about you, and about your post.


18 posted on 04/17/2007 1:44:58 AM PDT by spetznaz (Nuclear-tipped Ballistic Missiles: The Ultimate Phallic Symbol)
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To: spetznaz; sukhoi-30mki; Gengis Khan
Why bother, these Chicoms are just that. Loud spitting mucous scum. Just see mainland Chinese anywhere they go. They are loud, they spit everywhere...someplaces its mucous, elsewhere its hate speech and gibberish. Thats what cmd. jingalingading and ribosomal 汤 are upto. I am guessing ribosomal piss is a Chinese university student in the US who's doing a PHD in biology.
19 posted on 04/17/2007 3:42:44 AM PDT by MimirsWell (Musharraf - In the line of (back)fire.)
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To: sukhoi-30mki
The headline shouldn't be a surprise. Since the Communist victory, China has initiated border wars with several of its neighbors, and is known to have a claim on an entire country - Mongolia (which it has put on hold, since the Russians would presumably object). China does sign border treaties every so often, but its pattern has been to reject the ones it doesn't like as "unequal" treaties, when the time is ripe. I would treat the value of Chinese treaties on par with the piece of paper Chamberlain received from Hitler.

China is why many Southeast Asian nations retain significant military ties with the US despite the end of the Cold War. Singapore, despite being majority ethnic Chinese, built an aircraft carrier dock for the US expressly because of the China threat. They may have learned an important lesson from Chinese history - it expands its territory every time it is strong. And China is in the process of growing strong. Think of China as a successful, and several thousand year-old version of WWII Japan, red in tooth and claw, and completely ruthless in its quest for land and resources.

20 posted on 04/17/2007 6:52:43 AM PDT by Zhang Fei
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