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Paul: Pay off the country's mortgage
The Gazette ^ | April 11. 2007 | Dick Hogan

Posted on 04/16/2007 1:32:37 AM PDT by cva66snipe

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To: durasell
It falls under foreign policy and is split between executive and legislative branch.

You work for Nancy Pelosi don't you.

L

21 posted on 04/16/2007 7:13:32 AM PDT by Lurker (Comparing 'moderate' islam to 'extremist' islam is like comparing small pox to plague.)
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To: cva66snipe

``The way to neutralize this is to send money to nobody,’’ Paul said. Most American foreign aid never gets to the poor people it’s intended to help, Paul charged.

End foreign welfare. NOW!


22 posted on 04/16/2007 7:14:29 AM PDT by WhiteGuy (GOP Congress - 16,000 earmarks costing US $50 billion in 2006 - PAUL2008)
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To: Lurker

You can name call all you want, but a lot of conservative presidents have approved foreign aid packages.


23 posted on 04/16/2007 7:15:15 AM PDT by durasell (!)
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To: durasell
but a lot of conservative presidents have approved foreign aid packages.

That doesn't make it Constitutional.

L

24 posted on 04/16/2007 7:16:43 AM PDT by Lurker (Comparing 'moderate' islam to 'extremist' islam is like comparing small pox to plague.)
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To: Lurker

Again, it falls under “foreign policy.”


25 posted on 04/16/2007 7:17:42 AM PDT by durasell (!)
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To: XR7

Ron Paul has zero chance of being elected to anything outside of his current district.

None.


26 posted on 04/16/2007 7:28:23 AM PDT by Badeye (Think the GOP will listen to the 'base' in 08?)
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To: AmericaUnited
Question to all: Let's say we "Pay off our mortgage" of several trillion dollars. Those with an understanding of the federal reserve system understand that this means taking several TRILLION dollars of liquidity out of the banking system. YES MARTHA! THAT'S THE ONLY WAY IT CAN HAPPEN! So... the $64,000 question is what will that do to the economy. Hint: A depression that will make the 1930's look like the 1920s.

Paying off the mortgage MEANS having a balanced national budget and having government live within it's means. Now I don't have a fancy diploma from Liberal U but I do understand that IF I spend more than I take in I quickly have payments I can not even make the interest on. That means eventually bankruptcy. But I don't think you even actually read the article anyway.

27 posted on 04/16/2007 10:09:52 AM PDT by cva66snipe (Kool Aid! The popular American favorite drink now Made In Mexico. Pro-Open Borders? Drink Up!)
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To: WhiteGuy
End foreign welfare. NOW!

Unfortunately our governments unauthorized charity has helped keep many nations oppressed. In doing so it is sponsoring dictators who rob, steal, or take the money, grain, or whatever and sell it for their own profit.

28 posted on 04/16/2007 10:16:23 AM PDT by cva66snipe (Kool Aid! The popular American favorite drink now Made In Mexico. Pro-Open Borders? Drink Up!)
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To: cva66snipe
Paying off the mortgage is not the same thing as not going deeper into debt.

But I don’t think you really read and understood my reply.

You would have to understand how federal debt comes into existence.

29 posted on 04/16/2007 10:23:36 AM PDT by AmericaUnited
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To: cva66snipe; OrthodoxPresbyterian
We need a POTUS who understands fair trade and a realistic foreign policy. The U.S. government can no longer afford to rescue the world nor is such a Constitutional function.

Thanks for posting this. Paul's constitutional conservative position is a desparately needed voice of reason.

30 posted on 04/16/2007 11:50:27 AM PDT by The_Eaglet
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To: cva66snipe; Lurker
Unfortunately our governments unauthorized charity has helped keep many nations oppressed. In doing so it is sponsoring dictators who rob, steal, or take the money, grain, or whatever and sell it for their own profit.

I would rather that the feds let us just keep our earnings in the first place rather than redistribute it around the world.

31 posted on 04/16/2007 11:54:38 AM PDT by The_Eaglet
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To: Lurker
And can you name for me the Article and Section of the Constitution which gives Congress the authority to give US taxpayer money to other countries?

If there was an answer, it was negative.

32 posted on 04/16/2007 12:01:18 PM PDT by The_Eaglet
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To: AmericaUnited
You would have to understand how federal debt comes into existence.

The same way all debt does. Debt can only exist if you owe. To owe you either have to borrow money and owe or acquire a debt from services. Now when the Incoming funds is than the Outgoing debt is acquired. Why should we be acquiring more debt and giving away money to foreign nations when we as a nation have an ever increasing debt of which our grandkids will be paying off unless it is brought under control.

True some things must due to high initial cost of a item have payments made to the loaners. Our government must learn to live withing OUR MEANS and stop spending on ridiculous pork which it has no authority to fund.

33 posted on 04/16/2007 1:41:51 PM PDT by cva66snipe (Kool Aid! The popular American favorite drink now Made In Mexico. Pro-Open Borders? Drink Up!)
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To: AmericaUnited; cva66snipe; The_Eaglet; Austin Willard Wright
Question to all: Let's say we "Pay off our mortgage" of several trillion dollars. Those with an understanding of the federal reserve system understand that this means taking several TRILLION dollars of liquidity out of the banking system. YES MARTHA! THAT'S THE ONLY WAY IT CAN HAPPEN! So... the $64,000 question is what will that do to the economy. Hint: A depression that will make the 1930's look like the 1920s.

Hint: No, it won't. NO, MARTHA, IT REALLY WON'T! Have you ever taken the Series 7 General Securities Exam? I scored a 96. My former Human Resources director told me it was the highest score she'd ever seen. (Granted, I know people who have scored a perfect 100. But they teach the Series 7, and regularly re-test to keep their edge).

Let's say we cut the US Federal Budget across the board by 40% tomorrow (to $1.7 Trillion dollars, roughly as large as the biggest of the CLINTON Budgets), and we cut all Federal taxes by 10% across the board also (to roughly $2.2 Trillion). At that point, we're running a Federal Budget Surplus of $500 Billion per year -- enough to pay off all Federal debt in about 18 years (ceteris paribus, of course -- We'll assume that all future receipts and outlays rise together in concert at a rate equal to inflation, and that any "excess revenues" generated from economic growth are returned to the Taxpayers in additional tax cuts.)

Those with an understanding of the CAPITAL MARKETS understand that if the Federal Government is "Paying off the country's mortgage", i.e., redeeming $500 Billion per year in Federal Debt (Treasury Bonds) and not issuing new Federal Debt (Treasury Bonds) for sale, the Federal Government is returning $500 Billion dollars per year in Cash ("liquidity") to the former Bond-holders.

Now, MARTHA... if there's $500 Billion in Cash being returned to the former Bond-holders, and no new Federal Debt, here's your $64,000 question: where is that money going to go? Unless you think that the average Treasury Bond investor (who is generally looking for the safest investment he can find) is likely to go blow his wad in Vegas or online Stock Market day-trading, the correct answer is: interest-bearing Bank Deposits. Savings, CDs, Money Market Accounts -- if the ultra-conservative "safe money" investor cannot invest his money in Federal Debt (because President Ron Paul is paying it off), he will put his money in interest-bearing Bank Deposits.

So, now, what you have is a Banking System which is, in fact, being flooded with an additional $500 Billion per year in NEW Liquidity -- that is to say, $500 Billion per year in New Deposits from former Federal Bond-holders whose Bonds are being redeemed in Cash and are looking for interest-bearing accounts in which to stash that money. And what are those Banks going to do with that $500 Billion per year in New Deposits? Well, they're going to attempt to lend it out at a 3-6-3 profit, of course, according to the Banker's Rule: "Borrow at 3, Lend at 6, Golf at 3".

They're going to Lend out that $500 Billion per year New Deposit base to Home-Buyers, Small Businessmen, Farmers, Commercial Developers, Investors, Speculators -- everyone who makes this great country profitable and financially delightful in which to live.

As cva66snipe said:

The fact is, I'll take cva66snipe's home-spun wisdom over your supposed knowledge of "how federal debt comes into existence" any day of the week (and I've probably got you beat on that, anyway -- just off the top of your head, how would you construct an equity-index-option credit time spread assuming matching strike prices? What's your maximum upside? What's your maximum downside?).

What you don't seem to recognize is the fact that WHENEVER the US Federal Government runs a Deficit, it must find investors with Cash on hand to purchase its Bonds, and it thus operates as a rapacious competitor in the Capital Markets: sucking money out of the pool of available investment capital (which could be better invested in Private profitable enterprises) and away from Bank Deposits (fairly directly) -- and as long as the Federal Government has Trillions of Dollars of National Debt, it must exact Hundreds of Billions of dollars a year in Taxes from the Economy, AGAIN sucking money out of the pool of available investment capital and therefore away from Bank Deposits (somewhat more indirectly).

The fact is, "Paying off the Country's Mortgage" (i.e., redeeming Federal Debt in Cash) would flood the Banking system with New Depositors flush with New Cash Deposits, and could touch off an incredible self-reinforcing Economic Expansion which would make the Roaring Twenties look like the Great Depression by comparison.

But, of course, you'd have to have an understanding of the Capital Markets to understand that. For cva66snipe, it is enough to know that "You cannot forever Spend more than you Get, without expecting eventual Disaster". But if that's all he knows about Macro-Economic Public Finance, it is enough... because he's right.

Best, OP

34 posted on 04/17/2007 4:03:40 AM PDT by OrthodoxPresbyterian (Please Ping or FReepMail me to be added to the Great Ron Paul Ping List)
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To: cva66snipe; Gamecock; elkfersupper; dcwusmc; gnarledmaw; Extremely Extreme Extremist; KoRn; ...
Great Ron Paul Ping List (GRPPL) PING!
35 posted on 04/17/2007 4:08:09 AM PDT by OrthodoxPresbyterian (Please Ping or FReepMail me to be added to the Great Ron Paul Ping List)
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To: OrthodoxPresbyterian

“The rich ruleth over the poor, and the borrower is servant to the lender” - Proverbs


36 posted on 04/17/2007 4:11:10 AM PDT by The_Eaglet
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To: The_Eaglet

Amen!


37 posted on 04/17/2007 4:18:16 AM PDT by OrthodoxPresbyterian (Please Ping or FReepMail me to be added to the Great Ron Paul Ping List)
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To: XR7
LOL

Sadly, that's also true.

38 posted on 04/17/2007 5:05:22 AM PDT by Oberon (What does it take to make government shrink?)
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To: durasell
I call myself a conservative because I’m pragmatic.

That's the defense for every political philosophy...Ezra Pound admired Italy's fascists because they made the trains run on time. You have to come up with something more distinctive, I'm afraid.

39 posted on 04/17/2007 5:06:57 AM PDT by Oberon (What does it take to make government shrink?)
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To: Oberon
Your attitude is the reason the conservative movement is in such a desperate situation. You’re quick to name call and push people to the other side. You push enough people to the other side, then you may have a “pure” movement, but few supporters.

If you tell enough people they belong on the other side enough times, they will eventually start to believe it.

40 posted on 04/17/2007 5:10:44 AM PDT by durasell (!)
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