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To: go-dubya-04

Yeah, there was the black cleaning woman Cohn found for him; she didn’t even know what a communist was. Also the kid lawyer who was a fellow-traveller during the thirties; McCarthy brought up his name during the Army hearings.

By the way, Joe never found one, single, communist.


32 posted on 04/14/2007 12:32:49 PM PDT by kjo
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To: kjo
Yeah, there was the black cleaning woman Cohn found for him; she didn’t even know what a communist was.

You may be thinking of Annie Lee Moss. There's some uncertainty about whether or not she was a Communist. Most likely she wasn't a spy, but if Moss worked at the Pentagon, she probably did know what one was.

Remember, this was in the 1950s, and to be Black and a cleaner didn't mean that one was stupid or uneducated (Mandatory disclaimer: to be a cleaner doesn't necessarily mean one is stupid or uneducated today either).

Here's a Human Events article on the Moss case. Here's another. Don't know if they're right or not, but the case is more complicated than it might appear at first.

I'm no fan of McCarthy. He did the country a lot of harm by making us look bad at a time when we needed all the friends we could get, but I wouldn't assume that everything said against McCarthy was true either.

39 posted on 04/14/2007 1:06:26 PM PDT by x
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To: kjo

Pal, I think you are full of it.

An easy, recent, read is Coulter.

Educate yourself.


40 posted on 04/14/2007 1:08:40 PM PDT by x1stcav (I'll support any Republican who vows to wage political war against the Demonrats.)
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To: kjo

Oh, the black cleaning woman and the kid lawyer! That clears it up for me. Nothing like some specifics to really help clarify the “thousands” of ruined lives. I think the “kid lawyer” you speak of is Ray Kaplan. Here is how NewsMax report that information and how it was distorted:
“A classic example of historical distortion emerged when the hearings surfaced. A Senate “historian” on May 5 put his own spin on the newly revealed McCarthy hearings before others had a chance to see them.
Associate Senate historian Donald Ritchie, in his “Editor’s Note,” quotes one committee witness, William Marx Mandel (who had taken the Fifth Amendment when asked about his Communist affiliations) as publicly declaring McCarthy “murdered” a prospective witness, Ray Kaplan, an alleged suicide.
Ritchie doesn’t bother to inform researchers that Kaplan was expected to be a friendly committee witness, eager to tell McCarthy of his frustration that some with whom he worked had placed a Voice of America transmitter in such a way as to prevent VOA from reaching the freedom-loving people behind the Iron Curtain, thus rendering it useless.
Nor does this “historian” add that some of Kaplan’s colleagues told McCarthy afterward that they suspected Kaplan’s “suicide” actually resulted from foul play. Nor is Mandel’s credibility questioned, even though behind closed doors he had openly threatened to give the committee a public-relations black eye.”
You also might want to read this article from “Human Events” on what actually happened in these sessions behind closed doors and the evidence presented against Annie Lee Moss and the real story of Ray Kaplan. http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=689

McCarthy was the one who charged Owen Lattimore with close ties to communism and questioned the role that Lattimore played in U.S. foreign policy, especially toward communists in China, which Lattimore famously claimed threatened America in no way.

Lattimore has been shown frequently to have stonewalled questions about his views and activities and to have lied about those things. He was editor of Pacific Affairs, the official journal of the Institute for Pacific Relations, a notorious and officially cited Soviet front. He was formally described by the Senate Internal Security subcommittee as “from some time in the 1950s a conscious, articulate instrument of the ‘Soviet conspiracy.’” Former top communist Louis Budenz testified to five separate experiences within the Politburo of the Communist Party in the United States in which Lattimore was involved as a Soviet conspirator.
Ann Coulter cites these names in her book: Among the Soviet operatives in government jobs who were named by McCarthy, Coulter informs us, were T.A. Bisson, Mary Jane Keeney, Cedric Belfrage, Solomon Adler, Franz Neumann, Leonard Mins, Gustavo Duran and William Remington.
Leonard Mins had contracted to write manuals for the armed forces. In that pursuit, he handled sensitive material. “Oh, yes, much of it was classified,” he told Sen. McCarthy’s committee. He had also worked for the OSS, the predecessor to the Central Intelligence Agency.

Mins pleaded the Fifth Amendfment when asked if he were a member of the Communist Party, either at the time he was working for the government or at the moment of the hearing; whether he had discussed classified material with a member of the Communist Party or turned any of it over to an espionage agent; whether he had engaged in espionage or illegal Communist activity; whether he had been on the payroll of Soviet military intelligence, either at the time he prepared the pamphlet or when working for the OSS; whether he attended the Lenin School of sabotage and espionage; and whether he believed in the overthrow of the United States by force and violence.

Cedric Belfrage, also mentioned by Coulter, had worked under Army occupation officers. In that capacity, he had been instrumental in setting up newspapers in Germany after World War II. Before the McCarthy committee, he pleaded the Fifth on whether he had been a Communist then or at the time of the hearing; whether he advocated overthrow of the U.S. or British government (he was a British citizen) by force or violence; whether he would fight in the U.S. or British Army if “drafted” to fight Communist aggressors.
And then there is Alger Hiss...

No Communists? You’re kidding, right? Please know history before spouting off about it.


41 posted on 04/14/2007 1:15:01 PM PDT by go-dubya-04
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To: kjo

The “Black cleaning lady” (she wasn’t, but I’ll go with it) WAS a communist. Annie Lee Moss perjured herself in front of that government committee with her deaf and dumb routine, a great fallback of many liberals when they’re caught with their proverbial hands in the cookie jar.

I’ve seen repeated airings of tv specials and movies (most recently, “Good Night And Good Luck”) portraying Moss as a victim. It’s bull$hit.


56 posted on 04/14/2007 8:30:36 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (Would you vote for President a guy who married his cousin? Me, neither. Accept no RINOs. Fred in '08)
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To: kjo

Yeah, you’re -way- off on the “black cleaning lady”. Communist Party records listed “Annie Lee Moss” residing at 72 R Street in S.W. Washington D.C. That entire bit in the show trials on how there were “multiple” Annie Lee Mosses in D.C., and how this supposedly proved McCarthy had the wrong Moss? Also bullshit. There was an Anna Lee Moss and an Annie Moss, but only one Annie Lee Moss, and she lived at the exact address where Communist Party records said she did and where the Daily Worker was being delivered. Oh, and it was also delivered to her previous address at a rooming house.

So, yeah, copies of the Daily Worker kept getting mailed everywhere she lived, the Communist Party had updated records of her current address listing her as a member, and she worked in the Code Room of the Pentagon. Not that there’s anything wrong with that.

And you buy that she didn’t know who Karl Marx was or what Communism was. Why? Cause she said so. Not like a communist working in the code room of the Pentagon would -lie- or anything.

Talk about gullible. And yes, you’re just as wildly wrong about every other assertion you made.

Qwinn


58 posted on 04/15/2007 12:27:49 AM PDT by Qwinn
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