Posted on 04/12/2007 9:34:54 AM PDT by TexConfederate1861
MOST just make fun of you & RIDICULE you, behind your back.
frankly, i don't blame them, as you (imVho) are BOTH dishonest & just a little TROLL, who cared NOTHING about the TRUTH or this forum. i think you're here ONLY to be a "pain".
why not "get a life" and head back to DU, from whence i suspect you came.
free dixie,sw
I don't know about your family, and don't care. But General Watie and his family did.
nonetheless we southerners wanted our FREEDOM, just as the forefathers of 1776 did. the NON-slaveowners of dixie were willing to ally with the "planters" for a while to GET freedom. IF our ancestors had won, the NEXT enemy might well have been the southern elites. (the WBTS, for southerners, was a PEASANT UPRISING led by a few professional soldiers, like Lee & Jackson.)
Lee and Jackson were part of the southern elite you dismiss. Both were slave owners, Jackson was a slave owner the day he died. Neither one had a problem with the insitution. In fact, both thought it was the best condition for blacks to be in. Your peasant uprising proposal is sheer fantasy.
DAMNyankees have ALWAYS been HYPOCRYTES/LIARS/SELFrighteous/sanctimonious
As are you Southron twits claiming they were fighting for freedom when a third of the population was exempt from that.
Name one who did, and provide your documentation.
These Federal facilities belonged to the people in the South. The North got to keep their own facilities.
At best federal property belonged to all the states not just the Southern ones, and for the South to seize the property without compensation was theft. By any legal definition you care to reference.
Watie didn't sell anything to raise the regiment he commanded. It was authorized by the rebel government and armed and equipped by them.
I did not know that your argument with Stand had convenient qualifications. I just thought you were looking for a southern commander who outfitted his troops. Hampton surely qualifies.
In the beginning of the war, yes. The last couple years the Cherokee Mt. rifles had to supply their own provisions. The capture of the Union supply train at Cabin Creek Sept. 1864, provided them with provisions for the remainder of the war.
There is much correspondence showing that they had to supply their own needs from their families much of the time.
Here's a snip from a letter to Stand Watie from his wife c. 1864.
" “ I hear that Cooper will not give you any supplies. If he does not I believe that they all are speculating of it and I hope that the last of them will sink. I do not want you to do anything of that kind. I would live on bread and water rather that have it said you had speculated of your people. I believe you have always done what you thought best for your people. If I thought you was working for nothing but to fill your pocket it would trouble me a great deal, but I know it is not else it would have been filled before this time. I know that you are capable of making a living any where if we are let alone after the war is over. We are all sold out I believe.”
an associate of mine who teaches at Grambling Univ. has estimated that there MIGHT have been as many as 25,000 people in ALL of the USA in 1860, who were "concerned" about "the peculiar institution" and/or about the slaves. (they SHOULD have been concerned, as slavery was a hideous evil.)
they SAID they cared. they LIED, as all SELF-righteous,HYPOCRITES do.
btw, MANY of the so-called "leading abolitionists" were IN the "flesh trade", at the same time that they were SAYING that they were against slavery.
GARRISON for ONE hypocrite! the EDITOR-in-CHIEF of "the NY Slimes" for ANOTHER sanctimonious, SELF-righteous, LIAR/hypocrite.
LYING is as natural for a DAMNyankee as breathing, just as it is the NATURE of a serpent to slither.
free dixie,sw
free dixie,sw
i NEVER said that Wade Hampton spent ANY money on his legion. NEITHER did i say that Stand Watie did. (would you care for a "do over"???)
as usual, you're PREVARICATING (i won't call you a LIAR, as i do your "buddy"= "bubba".) again.
YOU are a PROPAGANDIST, so i give you a little "slack". "bubba", otoh, is just a TROLL & a DIShonest one at that.
free dixie,sw
as usual, there was little or nothing ACTUALLY provided in arms/supplies/money/uniforms from Richmond to the Trans-Mississippi units, despite many PROMISES.
free dixie,sw
Are you denying posting message 639 then?
Letter from A.M. Wilson and J.W. Washbourne to Stand Watie dated May 18th, 1861. "We are happy to inform you in accordance with our promise of said letter that would afford you all the aid we could that a certain number of guns, good guns, have been granted to the State of Arkansas, for the use of the Cherokee in the defense of their and our frontier. So, push on with the good work and train your men and apply for these guns." Then there was this post script: "Since the above we have heard that Jefferson Davis is determined to arm and equip the Cherokee, Creeks, and Choctaw. Probably in the course of 6 or 8 weeks there will be...many guns for the Cherokee."
From : "Cherokee Caviliers" by Edward Everett Dale and Gaston Little, pp.106-107
Primary enough for you?
What is so hard to understand that at the beginning of the war they had full support. The South needed the Cherokee. Near the end of the war they couldn’t get zip from them. Much of what was sent was sold by white officers before it ever got to the Watie troops.
You’re both right. All things are not either/or.
i think NOT!
fyi, that is NOT (as YOU are WELL aware) a PRIMARY source.
free dixie,sw
you do NOT (i've known you too long) have a STUPIDITY or a READING COMPREHENSION problem;rather, you have an HONESTY problem!!!
to ALL: go back and READ #639 & you'll see that N-S is INTENTIONALLY trying (UNsuccessfully, i might add) to change the subject to ANYTHING other than he made a MISTAKE! fyi, N-S NEVER admits to MISTAKES, NOR does he admit that there is ANYTHING that he's just plain WRONG about. (it's called: being "a know it all".)
free dixie,sw
There are other Watie's but not this individual.
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