Posted on 04/12/2007 9:34:54 AM PDT by TexConfederate1861
Of course, we all know that whether the property was “stolen” or not is a matter of conjecture and opinion.
And EVERYBODY has one.
The property didn't belong to them, or at least to them alone. They took it. They didn't offer to pay for it before they took it. Sure sounds like stealing to me.
Apparently they did offer to pay for it, although it was a Godfather-like "either your signature goes on the contract or your brains do" sorta offer. From the letter that Buchanan's Sec'y of War sent to the SC AG:
The proposal, then, now presented to the President is simply an offer on the part of South Carolina to buy Fort Sumter and contents as property of the United States, sustained by a declaration in effect that if she is not permitted to make the purchase she will seize the fort by force of arms. As the initiation of a negotiation for the transfer of property between friendly governments this proposal impresses the President as having assumed a most unusual form.What else is interesting here is South Carolina's admission that Sumter is, in fact, United States property.
BILGE & HATE-filled NONSENSE???
YEP. that's "bubba, DUH TROLL!
fyi, you've RUINED yourself.
laughing AT you, TROLL.
free dixie,sw
So, multiple letters from Watie’s wife, to him, mentioning the horses that she has, taken from a 1921 book (readily findable in libraries, by the way) and posted on the Oklahoma Historical Society’s website don’t constitute evidence. But your say-so does. Is that about right?
YOU & ONLY you are responsible for your REPUTATION as a CREEP.
what i say to you, i say "to your face". others here laugh AT you & ridicule you "behind your back".
laughing AT you, as MOST here do.
free dixie,sw
the south & LIBERTY was FOREVER (and is NOW) the enemy of OPPRESSION by the northeastern elitists.
period. end of story.
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Then they're cowards.
i ONLY post to you, because i enjoy ABUSING liars,trolls, useful idiots, creeps & BIGOTS. (i'm SURE that you're at least ONE of those & given that you are believed to be "the BANNED FOREVER heyworthLESS" in another guise, perhaps ALL of those things.)
be glad that i'll post to you, as otherwise you would have NOBODY but "Mr Spin, the bigot & "ftd", "everybody's punching bag" to respond to your BILGE & DECEIT.
free dixie,sw
Fine, but you have zero crediblity (latest example—proof that Watie owned horses despite your claims), so your tale about these mystery correspondents don’t much impress me. All it takes is for one to speak up and prove you correct. Just like it would only take one library listing for “Yachts Against Subs.” Or some evidence of the Alexandria synagogue even existing before 1861 to contradict the historical marker. Or...oh, there are just so many.
The facts make you out to be a liar.
the south & LIBERTY was FOREVER
Except for that pesky one third of the population you all held title to.
I think he's talking about his imaginary friends.
It's sad when your imaginary friends are cowards, isn't it? What I always find entertaining is when Watie quotes these alleged correspondents, they always seem to sound just like him.
I'm close to done with this book about a lot of this. You'll understand it more as you learn more.
Actually, there is a letter from Watie to his wife during the war, where he is telling her she needs to send him a 'domestic'. It will take me some time to find, and I don't have the time now, but remind me if I forget.
Nevermind my last post. I see someone has posted one of the letters.
stand, where did you get the idea Watie didn’t have horses? One of their biggest joys was horse racing. He had plantations and lots of stock before the war.
Anyway, I’ve had enough of this conversation. Doesn’t seem anyone is interested in learning history, some just want to argue and never solve anything. Same crappola that starts wars.
nonetheless we southerners wanted our FREEDOM, just as the forefathers of 1776 did. the NON-slaveowners of dixie were willing to ally with the "planters" for a while to GET freedom. IF our ancestors had won, the NEXT enemy might well have been the southern elites. (the WBTS, for southerners, was a PEASANT UPRISING led by a few professional soldiers, like Lee & Jackson.)
furthermore,as you KNOW, about the SAME percentage of DAMNyankees, INCLUDING many "prominent abolitionists", owned slaves and/or PROFITED from slavery!!! (DAMNyankees have ALWAYS been HYPOCRYTES/LIARS/SELFrighteous/sanctimonious !)
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sometimes you (as the ONLY DAMNyankee with a brain & an education) say something REALLY SILLY & STUPID. #632 is one of those STUPID comments.
perhaps, you're "playing to your audience", when you say that sort of BUNK. i KNOW you're smarter than THAT particular stupid comment.
free dixie,sw
UNlike YOU, FOOL, i don't choose to betray confidences, NOR do i choose to RUIN myself, as you HAVE.
laughing AT you, TROLL.
free dixie,sw
i appreciate your help.
fyi, i was "talking with" a coworker at my night job about this subject (Gerry is a Creek/French halfbreed & a WBTS reenactor.).
he said, "i wonder IF the REASON there seems to be a "disconnect" here is that the General SOLD most everything he had to outfit the 1st Mounted Cherokee Rifles. Many southern officers did just that."
is Gerry correct??? i simply don't know. nonetheless, it's ONE possible explaination.
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i have SEEN a letter to one of the General's cousins, where he SAID that he could NOT afford to buy a horse/sword/sidearms/dress uniform.
there is also a 1st person account of one of the General's staff-members that mentions that he was still riding the "good, young, red mule, borrowed from his kinsman".
Aunt B, when you are dealing with a group of HATE-filled, DIShonest,SELF-righteous DUNCES and/or a TROLL (who is here ONLY to "cause discord" & cares NOTHING for the TRUTH), it's hard to carry on the sort of historical conversations that USED to be on the WBTS threads.
THANKS for your input.
free dixie,sw
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