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Can liberty survive the income tax?
RenewAmerica.us ^ | April 12th, 2007 | Alan Keyes

Posted on 04/12/2007 7:28:36 AM PDT by EternalVigilance

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To: MACVSOG68
You're laughable!
BWAHAHAHAHAHA
221 posted on 04/13/2007 1:00:17 PM PDT by philman_36
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To: Hostage
Here's another good presentation: link john perkins economic hit man Very interesting.
222 posted on 04/13/2007 6:58:58 PM PDT by Jason_b
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To: Toddsterpatriot
These things happen... sometimes, often. The bane of spell check... and not proof reading. Fortunately I know better than to proclaim myself having superior spelling skills. For what it's worth, early in that post: Reminds me of the bloody knight
223 posted on 04/13/2007 7:47:59 PM PDT by Zon (Honesty outlives the lie, spin and deception -- It always has -- It always will.)
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To: MACVSOG68

MACVSOG68 to Zon: Posters such as you are a dime a dozen. I see them on threads where their response to a well thought out post was to criticize the failure to use spell check, or some other meaningless error having nothing at all to do with the thread. 111

MACVSOG68: No offense, but Knight is spelled with a "K". 217  

You got some major projection problem going on there. 

224 posted on 04/13/2007 8:07:21 PM PDT by Zon (Honesty outlives the lie, spin and deception -- It always has -- It always will.)
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To: enuf; EternalVigilance

Nice article. However, the article only addresses one of the two most evil taxes in the land; the other one is the property tax. Between the two of them, virtually ALL evil is covered...


225 posted on 04/13/2007 8:14:39 PM PDT by dcwusmc (We need to make government so small that it can be drowned in a bathtub.)
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To: MACVSOG68; philman_36
MACVSOG68 to Zon: Posters such as you are a dime a dozen. I see them on threads where their response to a well thought out post was to criticize the failure to use spell check, or some other meaningless error having nothing at all to do with the thread. 111 and 219

In other words you wrote in your 111 post/response to me that my response to your well thought out post* was to do something like criticize your spelling.

MACVSOG68 to philman_36: I think you forgot the part about the response to a well thought out post. Try reading first so you don't look quite so silly. The "dime a dozen" comment still applies. 220

So in your 213 post you criticized philman_36's spelling in his well thought out post. But that's not what you just intended it (the part you underlined) to mean. No. You intended it to mean that your post at 213 was a well thought out post wherein you also criticized philman_36's spelling.

You can't have it both ways. That is sooooo sleazy. EWWWW!!!

Your idea of a well thought out post: Actually, we have someone who can read and write here, and can use a tad of logic. I don't assume simply because you can log into FR that you are in possession of any of those three abilities....to any measurable degree. -- MACVSOG68 65 I don't think that is a well thought out post. Especially since your very next posts at 68 you demonstrated that you didn't know how Alan Keyes got entered into the discussion you were having about the article that Keyes had written. As you put it:  How did Keyes get into this discussion? It boggles the mind. A tad of logic would be to use the find function on your browser to see where Alan Keyes entered the discussion. ...Since you missed it the first time when you read the article. (I'm assuming you read the article.)

226 posted on 04/13/2007 8:52:19 PM PDT by Zon (Honesty outlives the lie, spin and deception -- It always has -- It always will.)
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To: Jason_b
I’m not sure I can permit alot of what Perkins says to pass.

I’m mostly interested in things that involve statistical distributions such as demographics and things that influence those distributions such as interactions with public policy such as tax policy. I don’t do any formal research on these types of things, it’s just a hobby. Most of my research is in medicine. But as PhD statistician I get collaborations in social stuff as well. I like and understand economics and am happy to be able to predict how Bernanke is going to respond to a question before he responds. Russo's film gave credibility to the 1913 scam and you can see it percolating through the system today.

It also helps to understand how the demographic changes are going to play out in the coming tax and entitlement reform. When I saw that FDT (and he is an extraordinary intellect btw) was aware of these things, I got excited that we may see an opportunity for a big improvement in our lives coming. I don't go for Perkins type utopia, he never got to discussing it and besides it's not real.

Perkins makes some accurate obversations and then weaves a story around those observations. He says Saddam was our man. Well Saddam was the KGBs man and he was also France’s man and etc.

He says Nixon took the United States off the gold standard (true), and the de facto money standard became oil (true). But then he goes on to say the Saudis cut a deal with Americans that oil would only be sold in USD. I don’t buy that one. That happened as a result of America’s prominence in the world after WWII as well as their oil know-how and work ethic before and after WWII. Americans were smart. They knew the tribal rivalries in parts of the Middle East and they knew the history of how one pipeline was blown up after another. What the President of ARAMCO did was to get advice that the one thing Arabs don't do (and alot of other people in the world as well) is to destroy someone else's ricebowl meaning their agriculture. So ARAMCO put water irrigation mains next to oil pipelines. Any hothead Arab trying to blowup an oil pipeline would then also damage the water mains and that would incur the wrath of the locals. The locals guarded the oil pipelines with their life.

That kind of planning was what made Americans the big influence there.

But then France became a big influence as well. So I think Perkins went overboard in claiming this was solely America's backwater.

227 posted on 04/13/2007 9:01:03 PM PDT by Hostage (Fred Thompson will be President.)
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To: Zon
I do notice that the bottom feeders here cannot read or comprehend.

MACVSOG68 to Zon: Posters such as you are a dime a dozen. I see them on threads where their response to a well thought out post was to criticize the failure to use spell check, or some other meaningless error having nothing at all to do with the thread. 111 MACVSOG68: No offense, but Knight is spelled with a "K". 217

Since your entire sequence of posts was nothing but criticisms of my "accuracy", I responded in kind. And if you notice, I said "well thought out post". Your posts were anything but. You have yet to even touch on the subject of the thread. It seems you can dish it out, but cannot take it. The numerous mistakes you have made in your posts do not put you in much of a position to criticize anyone else.

If high school is not treating you well, go see a counselor. It's ok to hang around with those more intelligent than you, but use that opportunity to learn, not to demonstrate your immature jealousy.

228 posted on 04/14/2007 6:26:41 AM PDT by MACVSOG68
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To: Zon; philman_36
So in your 213 post you criticized philman_36's spelling in his well thought out post. But that's not what you just intended it (the part you underlined) to mean. No. You intended it to mean that your post at 213 was a well thought out post wherein you also criticized philman_36's spelling.

Neither of you had anything remotely related to the thread. Both of you merely criticize the writing of others. You may have some well thought out posts...somewhere, just not here. I would have to assume that you both are part of this ridiculous tax protester cult who actually believe all of the "unconstitutional" BS, and simply want to try and take aim at anyone who points out the absurdity of the arguments, but who haven't enough knowledge to counter them. Zon, I believe I pointed out your inconsistencies much earlier, but you seem incapable of recognizing them, which in itself is indicative of your age and educational level. You might take the meaning of your tag line seriously. You have been intellectually dishonest from the first post to me until now. You have repeatedly lied about what I said earlier to make it look like something it was not. Honesty?

As I said, the bottom feeders here are a strange lot.

229 posted on 04/14/2007 6:45:32 AM PDT by MACVSOG68
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To: Hostage

I appreciate having your view. Perkins was all over the map but I thought it interesting his talk about the hitmen/jackal in South America. The idea of lending too much money they have no hope of paying back and then using that debt as leverage to get other stuff makes for an interesting story. There are three parts in all btw, locatable by typing his name in the search. I did pick up on his Peace Corp hippy utopia bent and wondered how someone like that gets to work for IMF/World Bank in the first place, much less as a “hit man.” Seems he would not even be their type.


230 posted on 04/14/2007 7:50:04 AM PDT by Jason_b
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To: MACVSOG68; Hostage
As I said, the bottom feeders here are a strange lot.

Yeah, no kidding. This place is infested with tax nut-jobs like "Hostage" who thinks the idiotic Russo and his idiotic movie has a clue.

It's sad to watch someone shill for a scammer.

Hostage will be along shortly to acuse me of being part of the tax "business" as he has done elsewhere and others have done likewise with regard to you on this thread.

231 posted on 04/14/2007 8:03:25 AM PDT by AntiScumbag
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To: AntiScumbag; Hostage
This place is infested with tax nut-jobs like "Hostage"

Come on, he's not a nut job. Why would you say that? Is it because he thinks the Federal Reserve is owned by private individuals? LOL!

232 posted on 04/14/2007 8:08:06 AM PDT by Toddsterpatriot (Why are protectionists (and goldbugs) so bad at math?)
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To: AntiScumbag
Most Freepers just ignore these loonies, but the trouble is that when outsiders read some of their junk we are all painted with the same broad brush. That's why we have to call them on it. So keep up the good work. They used to bow down to Schiff, but since he may still be in jail, they have a new god to tell them they have no responsibilities for the Country they live in.

I wonder how many of them have fallen for the Nigerian money transfer scam....?

233 posted on 04/14/2007 8:36:57 AM PDT by MACVSOG68
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To: Toddsterpatriot
Is it because he thinks the Federal Reserve is owned by private individuals?

Yes and no. He doesn't have a clue about the federal system of taxation. For instance, he thinks that there are no laws behind "1040 taxes."

He also apparently thinks that the Federal Reserve is evil and perhaps not really a part of the federal government.

Conspiracy nuts have to speculate about something, apparently preferably more than one thing, as so many of the nut-jobs in this thread demonstrate.

234 posted on 04/14/2007 8:39:30 AM PDT by AntiScumbag
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To: EternalVigilance

Did Liberty cheat on his taxes? Then he should go to jail...


235 posted on 04/14/2007 8:40:16 AM PDT by Porterville (All hail the Prophet Gore, an ass dressed in a lion's skin)
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To: AntiScumbag
He also apparently thinks that the Federal Reserve is evil and perhaps not really a part of the federal government.

But that's only because it's owned by foreigners.

Conspiracy nuts have to speculate about something,

They make really good films. LOL!

236 posted on 04/14/2007 8:43:20 AM PDT by Toddsterpatriot (Why are protectionists (and goldbugs) so bad at math?)
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To: EternalVigilance

NO!


237 posted on 04/14/2007 8:46:52 AM PDT by mborman (Never argue with an idiot; they'll drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.)
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To: AntiScumbag; Toddsterpatriot

Have fun playing with yourselves. You look ridiculous.

You just broadcast for everyone to see that you think the Federal Reserve is not owned by private bankers.

I guess in your ridiculous discussion that you pinged me on you think the Federal Reserve is not owned by anyone, it’s just a building with offices and people that wander in from time to time.

Don’t be surprised if I don’t engage your silly tripe. You both are not worth anyone else’s time except between yourselves. Have fun looking like idiots.


238 posted on 04/14/2007 8:49:31 AM PDT by Hostage (Fred Thompson will be President.)
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To: Hostage
You just broadcast for everyone to see that you think the Federal Reserve is not owned by private bankers.

What's a private banker? Is Henry Kissinger one?

Why don't you show us who owns the Fed?

239 posted on 04/14/2007 8:53:48 AM PDT by Toddsterpatriot (Why are protectionists (and goldbugs) so bad at math?)
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To: MACVSOG68
Schiff, but since he may still be in jail

Oh, yeah, Schiffty is still in federal prison. In fact, he'll probably die there since he has about 9 years to go and he's about 74. Hostage thinks he's one of the "credible" people in Russo's moronic movie. Yeah, it's always good to quote a three-time convicted federal felon. It works wonders for your credibility.

Perhaps Hostage needs a pen pal.

Irwin Schiff
#08537-014
FCI Fort Dix
P.O. Box 38
Hartford Road
Fort Dix, NJ 08640

Release date: 10-07-2016

240 posted on 04/14/2007 8:58:46 AM PDT by AntiScumbag
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