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British researcher claims 'Jews smarter, it's genetic'
YNet News ^ | April 11, 2007

Posted on 04/11/2007 12:30:36 PM PDT by Cecily

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To: Malesherbes

My hypothesis is that 2000 years of pogroms and prejudice selected out Jews with lower IQs. Reading some of the tales of Jews masquerading successfully as gentiles to survive during WWII makes it obvious that intelligence is a survival trait.


81 posted on 04/11/2007 2:01:26 PM PDT by darth
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To: Cecily
I believe the fact that Jews are more successful than other people has more to do with the Jewish culture and how they treat their children than anything genetic.

A lot of non-Jewish people don't take the time to teach their children to become adults, they just teach them to be maintenance-free children. Children who are taught to be adults when they are children act like adults when they are adults. Children who are taught to be maintenance-free children when they are children act like children long after they should.

A Jewish parent would never say "Shut up and do as you are told" to his child.

The Jewish tradition of the Talmud encourages children to analyze and verbalize and think for themselves.

Telling your kid to shut up and do as he is told doesn't teach him anything.

Furthermore, the Bar Mitzvah ritual is not just a hollow gesture. It is the Mommy's official notice that her services are no longer required by her adolescent son. It is her official notice to leave him the Hell alone.

Non-Jewish mothers feel free to interfere with their son's lives as long as they please, which keeps the kid from learning to think for himself.

PS - I'm not Jewish, I am relating the things that a Jewish co-worker once postulated.

82 posted on 04/11/2007 2:02:27 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Islam is a religion of peace, and Muslims reserve the right to kill anyone who says otherwise.)
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To: Prokopton

May not be able to bother much more about it and this is not what I’m looking for. But this is still interesting re my point:

From:

http://www.adherents.com/people/100_scientists.html

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The Scientific 100:
A Ranking of the Most Influential Scientists, Past and Present

The list below is from the book The Scientific 100: A Ranking of the Most Influential Scientists, Past and Present, Citadel Press (2000), written by John Galbraith Simmons.
1 Isaac Newton the Newtonian Revolution Anglican (rejected Trinitarianism, i.e., Athanasianism;
believed in the Arianism of the Primitive Church)
2 Albert Einstein Twentieth-Century Science Jewish
3 Neils Bohr the Atom Jewish Lutheran
4 Charles Darwin Evolution Anglican (nominal); Unitarian
5 Louis Pasteur the Germ Theory of Disease Catholic
6 Sigmund Freud Psychology of the Unconscious Jewish; Atheist; Freudian psychoanalysis (Freudianism)
7 Galileo Galilei the New Science Catholic
8 Antoine Laurent Lavoisier the Revolution in Chemistry Catholic
9 Johannes Kepler Motion of the Planets Lutheran
10 Nicolaus Copernicus the Heliocentric Universe Catholic (priest)
11 Michael Faraday the Classical Field Theory Sandemanian
12 James Clerk Maxwell the Electromagnetic Field Presbyterian; Anglican; Baptist
13 Claude Bernard the Founding of Modern Physiology
14 Franz Boas Modern Anthropology Jewish
15 Werner Heisenberg Quantum Theory Lutheran
16 Linus Pauling Twentieth-Century Chemistry Lutheran
17 Rudolf Virchow the Cell Doctrine
18 Erwin Schrodinger Wave Mechanics Catholic
19 Ernest Rutherford the Structure of the Atom
20 Paul Dirac Quantum Electrodynamics
21 Andreas Vesalius the New Anatomy Catholic
22 Tycho Brahe the New Astronomy Lutheran
23 Comte de Buffon l’Histoire Naturelle
24 Ludwig Boltzmann Thermodynamics
25 Max Planck the Quanta Protestant
26 Marie Curie Radioactivity Catholic (lapsed)
27 William Herschel the Discovery of the Heavens Jewish
28 Charles Lyell Modern Geology
29 Pierre Simon de Laplace Newtonian Mechanics atheist
30 Edwin Hubble the Modern Telescope
31 Joseph J. Thomson the Discovery of the Electron
32 Max Born Quantum Mechanics Jewish Lutheran
33 Francis Crick Molecular Biology atheist
34 Enrico Fermi Atomic Physics Catholic
35 Leonard Euler Eighteenth-Century Mathematics Calvinist
36 Justus Liebig Nineteenth-Century Chemistry
37 Arthur Eddington Modern Astronomy Quaker
38 William Harvey Circulation of the Blood Anglican (nominal)
39 Marcello Malpighi Microscopic Anatomy Catholic
40 Christiaan Huygens the Wave Theory of Light Calvinist
41 Carl Gauss (Karl Friedrich Gauss) Mathematical Genius Lutheran
42 Albrecht von Haller Eighteenth-Century Medicine
43 August Kekule Chemical Structure
44 Robert Koch Bacteriology
45 Murray Gell-Mann the Eightfold Way Jewish
46 Emil Fischer Organic Chemistry
47 Dmitri Mendeleev the Periodic Table of Elements
48 Sheldon Glashow the Discovery of Charm Jewish
49 James Watson the Structure of DNA atheist
50 John Bardeen Superconductivity
51 John von Neumann the Modern Computer Jewish Catholic
52 Richard Feynman Quantum Electrodynamics Jewish
53 Alfred Wegener Continental Drift
54 Stephen Hawking Quantum Cosmology atheist
55 Anton van Leeuwenhoek the Simple Microscope Dutch Reformed
56 Max von Laue X-ray Crystallography
57 Gustav Kirchhoff Spectroscopy
58 Hans Bethe the Energy of the Sun Jewish
59 Euclid the Foundations of Mathematics Platonism / Greek philosophy
60 Gregor Mendel the Laws of Inheritance Catholic (Augustinian monk)
61 Heike Kamerlingh Onnes Superconductivity
62 Thomas Hunt Morgan the Chromosomal Theory of Heredity
63 Hermann von Helmholtz the Rise of German Science
64 Paul Ehrlich Chemotherapy Jewish
65 Ernst Mayr Evolutionary Theory atheist
66 Charles Sherrington Neurophysiology
67 Theodosius Dobzhansky the Modern Synthesis Russian Orthodox
68 Max Delbruck the Bacteriophage
69 Jean Baptiste Lamarck the Foundations of Biology
70 William Bayliss Modern Physiology
71 Noam Chomsky Twentieth-Century Linguistics Jewish atheist
72 Frederick Sanger the Genetic Code
73 Lucretius Scientific Thinking Epicurean; atheist
74 John Dalton the Theory of the Atom Quaker
75 Louis Victor de Broglie Wave/Particle Duality
76 Carl Linnaeus the Binomial Nomenclature Christianity
77 Jean Piaget Child Development
78 George Gaylord Simpson the Tempo of Evolution
79 Claude Levi-Strauss Structural Anthropology Jewish
80 Lynn Margulis Symbiosis Theory Jewish
81 Karl Landsteiner the Blood Groups Jewish
82 Konrad Lorenz Ethology
83 Edward O. Wilson Sociobiology
84 Frederick Gowland Hopkins Vitamins
85 Gertrude Belle Elion Pharmacology
86 Hans Selye the Stress Concept
87 J. Robert Oppenheimer the Atomic Era Jewish
88 Edward Teller the Bomb Jewish
89 Willard Libby Radioactive Dating
90 Ernst Haeckel the Biogenetic Principle
91 Jonas Salk Vaccination Jewish
92 Emil Kraepelin Twentieth-Century Psychiatry
93 Trofim Lysenko Soviet Genetics Russian Orthodox; Communist
94 Francis Galton Eugenics
95 Alfred Binet the I.Q. Test
96 Alfred Kinsey Human Sexuality atheist
97 Alexander Fleming Penicillin Catholic
98 B. F. Skinner Behaviorism atheist
99 Wilhelm Wundt the Founding of Psychology atheist
100 Archimedes the Beginning of Science Greek philosophy

I quickly counted 19 out of the 100 as Jewish. Disporportionate to world’s population, for sure.


83 posted on 04/11/2007 2:10:54 PM PDT by Quix (GOD ALONE IS GOD; WORTHY; PAID THE PRICE; IS COMING AGAIN; KNOWS ALL; IS LOVING; IS ALTOGETHER GOOD!)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

“Furthermore, the Bar Mitzvah ritual is not just a hollow gesture. It is the Mommy’s official notice that her services are no longer required by her adolescent son. It is her official notice to leave him the Hell alone.

Non-Jewish mothers feel free to interfere with their son’s lives as long as they please, which keeps the kid from learning to think for himself.”

??? The interfering, advice-giving, kibbitzing, guilt-inducing Jewish mama is one of the oldest stereotypes around. A source of endless Jewish humor.


84 posted on 04/11/2007 2:12:59 PM PDT by Cecily
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To: willk
“If Jews are so smart - why do they vote 70%+ for democrats...”
Because many of us come up short in the common sense department.

Ha-ha, so true. My I.Q. was rated as 145, but my wife always says I have no common sense. I have Jewish blood but raised as a Christian (and as a Democrat but I switched parties). My daughters are smart, excelled in school and their careers, but I attribute that to my wife bringing them up with family values.

85 posted on 04/11/2007 3:35:59 PM PDT by roadcat
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To: blam

“The people of the Middle East weren’t the same people as they are today.”

Gott danken.


86 posted on 04/11/2007 4:59:58 PM PDT by truth_seeker
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To: Cecily
Smart? And yet they vote “D” for their own destruction?

This is like the Farside cartoon of the boy pushing against a door labeled “Pull” and the sign says “School for the Gifted.”

87 posted on 04/11/2007 5:03:21 PM PDT by Grizzled Bear ("Does not play well with others.")
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To: Grizzled Bear

Believe it or not, I have a coffee mug with that Far Side cartoon. It’s actually “Midvale School for the Gifted.” :)


88 posted on 04/11/2007 5:14:39 PM PDT by Cecily
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To: 2banana
If Jews are so smart - why do they vote 70%+ for Democrats...

Smart people can have harmful addictions and exhibit irrational behavior. Mental illnesses don't necessarily correlate with intelligence level.

89 posted on 04/12/2007 4:35:45 AM PDT by justiceseeker93
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To: The Blitherer
This guy better hire himself frome bodyguards, quick!

If the info in the article is correct, he has moved from the US to Scotland to get away from the PC environment here. I'm not sure how the two compare in terms of academic freedom (or lack thereof) in the areas of sociology that Murray researches and writes about.

90 posted on 04/12/2007 4:42:17 AM PDT by justiceseeker93
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To: 3AngelaD

Tony Judt is an archtypical Jewish leftist academic.


91 posted on 04/12/2007 4:43:52 AM PDT by justiceseeker93
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To: Malesherbes

Yes, I’ve heard that theory too. This contrasts with the European Christian population in which many of the brightest individuals for centuries in medieval times were attracted to the clergy and thus were celibate. Since intelligence levels are about 2/3 the result of heredity (according to the general concensus of scientific opinion, as explained by Murray in “The Bell Curve”), the European Christian population as a whole experienced a “brain drain” over that period. Or so that line of reasoning goes.


92 posted on 04/12/2007 4:59:21 AM PDT by justiceseeker93
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To: blam
“50% of all Europeans can trace their DNA to one man in the Indus Valley who made their way to Europe via the Middle East. The other 50% of Europeans can trace their DNA to a son of the same man who made their way to Europe through Russia.”

- You might want to check the accuracy of this statement. I read several years ago that researchers had traced the entire homo sapiens gene pool back to one woman (they referred to her as Eve) who was born millennia ago somewhere in Africa. The research in this area is very interesting but gets highly technical very quickly. Try Google using “DNA, Eve” as the search parameters if you want to learn more of the background to all these findings.

93 posted on 04/12/2007 6:06:12 AM PDT by finnigan2
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To: finnigan2
"- You might want to check the accuracy of this statement. I read several years ago that researchers had traced the entire homo sapiens gene pool back to one woman (they referred to her as Eve) who was born millennia ago somewhere in Africa."

I'm familiar with the African 'Eve.' Europeans are descended from only eight females who can trace their 'roots' to the African Eve many thousands of years prior.

Seven Daughters Of Eve

"Sykes claims there are seven major mitochondrial lineages for modern Europeans but others put the number at 10-12. These additional "daughters" generally include haplogroups I, M and W[1]. A recent paper re-mapped European haplogroups as H, J, K, N1, T, U4, U5, V, X and W.[2] Likewise, Sykes has invented names for an additional 29 "clan mothers" worldwide, each corresponding to a different haplogroup identified by geneticists: "Fufei, Ina, Aiyana/Ai, Yumi, Nene, Naomi, Una, Uta, Ulrike, Uma, Ulla, Ulaana, Lara, Lamia, Lalamika, Latasha, Malaxshmi, Emiko, Gaia, Chochmingwu/Chie, Djigonasee/Sachi, Makeda, Lingaire, Lubaya, Limber, Lila, Lungile, Latifa and Layla."[3]"

In Sykes' latest book Celts, Saxons And Vikings, he admits that he should have had Eight daughters of Eve.

94 posted on 04/12/2007 6:26:51 AM PDT by blam
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To: finnigan2
BTW, I ve had my Y-chromosome DNA (male) traced back over 60,000 years to the African 'Adam.' I'm in the process of having the same done with my mtDNA (female).

My male ancestors left Africa, crossed through the Middle-East on into Pakistan and China then crossed into Russia and then turned south on into Western Europe. They migrated out of the Franco-Iberian refuge at the end of the last Ice Age. After the LGM (Last Glacial Maximum), they migrated back north and are the Western Europeans of today.

95 posted on 04/12/2007 6:43:31 AM PDT by blam
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