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CA: Proposal: Get health insurance or pay fine (putting teeth in requiring coverage for all?)
LA Times ^ | 4/11/07 | Jordan Rau

Posted on 04/11/2007 9:43:06 AM PDT by NormsRevenge

SACRAMENTO — People who refuse to obtain health insurance could be tracked down by the state or a private contractor, enrolled in a plan and fined until they pay their premiums under one proposal Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger's administration is considering as part of his vision for covering all Californians.

The proposal, which administration aides said was one of many the governor was considering, was presented at a meeting Tuesday with representatives from insurers, hospitals, doctors, business groups and consumer advocates.

It drew immediate criticism from critics of the central tenet of Schwarzenegger's healthcare approach, which is to require all Californians to obtain insurance.

Although the governor's office has been emphasizing the efforts it would make to help people find insurance voluntarily — including subsidies to the poor and outreach through schools, state agencies and healthcare providers — the outlines of the enforcement proposal inflamed some of those the administration has been courting for support.

Beth Capell, a lobbyist for the Service Employees International Union's California organization, said the fines might be unfairly levied on people caught without health insurance because of circumstances beyond their control. Those included people in between jobs and those starting employment in companies that did not provide healthcare for the first months of work.

"We're going to punish them if they don't go out and buy health insurance on their own — health insurance that they can't afford at the moment that they are least able to afford it," Capell said.

Other proposals, which Schwarzenegger included in the first draft of his healthcare plan, are to attach the wages of people who don't buy insurance and to increase the amount they owe in state income taxes.

Kim Belshé, secretary of the state Health and Human Services Agency, emphasized that "nothing is set in stone." ...

(Excerpt) Read more at latimes.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Politics/Elections; US: California
KEYWORDS: arnoldcare; california; dictatorship; fascist; fine; healthinsurance; marxism; proposal; schwarzenegger; universalhealthcare
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1 posted on 04/11/2007 9:43:09 AM PDT by NormsRevenge
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To: NormsRevenge

“People who refuse to obtain health insurance could be tracked down by the state or a private contractor, enrolled in a plan and fined until they pay their premiums under one proposal Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger’s”

How every Nazi of him.


2 posted on 04/11/2007 9:46:52 AM PDT by edcoil (Reality doesn't say much - doesn't need too)
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To: NormsRevenge

This is what happens when politicians, who support government subsidized health care, finally understand the concept of anti-selection.


3 posted on 04/11/2007 9:47:06 AM PDT by Pete
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To: NormsRevenge

Requiring enrollment yeah that will drive health care costs down...../sarcasm definitely on


4 posted on 04/11/2007 9:47:09 AM PDT by ThisLittleLightofMine
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To: NormsRevenge

Some lower middle class folks just can’t afford health insurance.


5 posted on 04/11/2007 9:48:14 AM PDT by PAR35
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To: NormsRevenge

I have friends that live in California. They all tell me that there is a huge problem with illegals not having auto liability insurance, as required by law. Many times an illegal will hit and run to avoid apprehension. Apparently a huge percentage of accidents are caused by illegals. For that reason, it is necessary to carry a high level of uninsured motorist coverage.
I imagine that illegals will do nothing to acquire mandatory health insurance. They will continue to feed off the public dole of our emergency rooms.


6 posted on 04/11/2007 9:48:27 AM PDT by GeorgefromGeorgia
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To: NormsRevenge

Funny this story doesn’t mention illegal aliens, who are the primary reason California’s health care systems are in crisis — the true elephant in the room that everyone is ignoring. Are they going to track them all down and fine them until they get insurance? If they can do that, why can’t they track them all down and deport them, saving Californians billions in health care expenditures?


7 posted on 04/11/2007 9:48:35 AM PDT by 3AngelaD
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To: ThisLittleLightofMine

Yep...that’s part of the problem. Before they can require everyone to get health insurance, they need to drive down the cost of insurance and control the law suits. Besides, are they going to require that all Mexicans have insurance before coming into the country?


8 posted on 04/11/2007 9:49:17 AM PDT by RC2
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To: NormsRevenge

If you work for the state you get “free” health care. If you are poor or a illegal you get “free” health care. The private sector which pays taxes and works hard does not get free health care so the state will force them to pay money to subsidize all the free care everyone else gets.

The state is the enemy of the people.


9 posted on 04/11/2007 10:00:14 AM PDT by winodog (We are being set up for bubba and the beast, part two.)
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Can anyone address the Constitutionality of coercing people to enter into a contract against their will?


10 posted on 04/11/2007 10:04:45 AM PDT by massgopguy (I owe everything to George Bailey)
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To: NormsRevenge

Yep, I’m sure all those illegal aliens that already broke the law when they entered the country and are driving without licenses, insurance etc. are going to really be concerned about paying fines for not buying health insurance...


11 posted on 04/11/2007 10:06:02 AM PDT by apillar
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To: PAR35
Some lower middle class folks just can’t afford health insurance.

If your employer isn't paying for it, demand a raise...

12 posted on 04/11/2007 10:06:15 AM PDT by Realism (Some believe that the facts-of-life are open to debate.....)
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To: winodog

I wonder if Arine has ever heard of a Recall election before.


13 posted on 04/11/2007 10:07:08 AM PDT by jocko12
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“Some lower middle class folks just can’t afford health insurance.”

Ain’t that the truth!!!
Our Governor here in Maine wants to do the same thing. If I can’t afford $1200 a month now how am I supposed to be able to when it’s mandatory?

Health care costs and health insurance costs are insane. There’s got to be an answer!?


14 posted on 04/11/2007 10:09:46 AM PDT by MrLee
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To: 3AngelaD
STOP IT! STOP MAKING SENSE!!

FMCDH(BITS)

15 posted on 04/11/2007 10:12:16 AM PDT by nothingnew (I fear for my Republic due to marxist influence in our government. Open eyes/see)
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To: NormsRevenge

What about people who can’t get insurance due to the dreaded “preexisting conditions”?


16 posted on 04/11/2007 10:12:38 AM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: DuncanWaring

Ameriquest will cover you, of course!


17 posted on 04/11/2007 10:16:39 AM PDT by massgopguy (I owe everything to George Bailey)
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To: massgopguy

I’m very interested in that question as well, albeit with a different matter on my plate..


18 posted on 04/11/2007 10:17:07 AM PDT by Michael Barnes (If Rudy is the GOP's guy, I'm voting for Hillary. Hey, why do anything half ass?)
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To: PAR35

I definitely cannot afford it..., but even if I could I would get turned down because I’m considered “high risk” and wouldn’t qualify for it anyway.

What does someone do in that situation???


19 posted on 04/11/2007 10:18:10 AM PDT by Tucker822
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To: DuncanWaring
What about people who can’t get insurance due to the dreaded “preexisting conditions”?

We'll have to charge them double the regular fine

20 posted on 04/11/2007 10:18:36 AM PDT by paul51 (11 September 2001 - Never forget)
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