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U.S. Military Says Iran Helping Iraq (Ya Think)
Examiner.com ^ | 11 April 2007 | Not Identified

Posted on 04/11/2007 5:47:56 AM PDT by radar101

In this image released by the US Army on Wednesday April 11, Lt. Gen. Ray Odierno, commander of Multi-National Corps Iraq, left, talks about security conditions in Dora neighborhood in Baghdad, Iraq, as Ryan Crocker, United States ambassador to Iraq, and Brig. Gen. Gazwan Sharif Abed al Hamid, commander of the 6th Brigade, 2nd Iraqi National Police Division, look on Thursday, April 5, 2007.

BAGHDAD - Iran has been training Iraqi fighters in the assembly of deadly roadside bombs known as EFPs, the U.S. military spokesman said Wednesday.

EFPs, or explosively formed penetrators, hurl a molten, fist-sized lump of molten copper capable of piercing armored vehicles.

"We know that they are being in fact manufactured and smuggled into this country, and we know that training does go on in Iran for people to learn how to assemble them and how to employ them," Maj. Gen. William Caldwell said at a weekly briefing. "We know that training has gone on as recently as this past month from detainees' debriefs."

In January, U.S. officials said at least 170 U.S. soldiers had been killed by EFPs.

The international Red Cross released a report that found the situation for civilians in Iraq is "ever-worsening," even though security in some places has improved as a result of stepped-up efforts by U.S.-led multinational forces.

Bodies lay scattered across two central Baghdad neighborhoods after a raging battle left 20 suspected insurgents and four Iraqi soldiers dead, and 16 U.S. soldiers wounded, witnesses and officials said. The fighting Tuesday in Fadhil and Sheik Omar, two Sunni enclaves, was the most intense since a massive push to pacify the capital began two months ago.

Iraqi Cabinet ministers allied to radical cleric Muqtada al-Sadr meanwhile threatened Wednesday to quit the government to protest the prime minister's lack of support for a timetable for U.S. withdrawal.

Such a pullout by the very bloc that put Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki in office could collapse his already perilously weak government. The threat comes two months into a U.S. effort to pacify Baghdad in order to give al-Maliki's government room to function.

Al-Sadr's political committee issued a statement a day after al-Maliki rejected an immediate U.S. troop withdrawal.

"We see no need for a withdrawal timetable. We are working as fast as we can," al-Maliki told reporters during his four-day trip to Japan, where he signed loan agreements for redevelopment projects in Iraq.

"To demand the departure of the troops is a democratic right and a right we respect. What governs the departure at the end of the day is how confident we are in the handover process," he said, adding that "achievements on the ground" would dictate how long American troops remain.

Al-Maliki spoke a day after tens of thousands of Iraqis took to the streets of two Shiite holy cities, on al-Sadr's orders, to protest the U.S. presence in their country. The rally marked the fourth anniversary of Baghdad's conquer by American forces.

"The Sadrist movement strongly rejects the statements of Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki, in which he stood by the continued presence of occupation forces despite the will of the Iraqi people," said the statement, a copy of which was obtained by The Associated Press.

"The Sadrist movement is studying the option of withdrawing from the Iraqi government - a government that has not fulfilled its promises to the people," it said.

"We are serious about withdrawing," it added.

It would not be the first time the Sadrists, who hold six seats in the Cabinet, left al-Maliki's government. Al-Sadr's ministers and 30 legislators boycotted the government and parliament for nearly two months to protest a November meeting between al-Maliki and President Bush in Jordan.

The statement expressed anger over the Baghdad security plan launched on Feb. 14, calling it "unfair." Iraqi and U.S. troops have been targeting members of al-Sadr's Mahdi Army militia, which has been blamed for sectarian killings.

Caldwell also said the U.S. military had evidence that Iranian intelligence agents were active in Iraq in funding, training and arming Shiite militia fighters.

"We also know that training still is being conducted in Iran for insurgent elements from Iraq. We know that as recent as last week from debriefing personnel," he said.

Caldwell added that fighters also were trained in how to carry out complex attacks that used explosives followed by assaults with rocket-propelled grenades and small arms.

"There has been training on specialized weapons that are used here in Iraq. And then we do know they receive also training on general tactics in terms of how to take and employ and work what we call a more complex kind of attack where we see multiple types of engagements being used from an explosion to small arms fire to being done in multiple places," Caldwell said.

The general would not say specifically which arm of the Iranian government was doing the training but called the trainers "surrogates" of Iran's intelligence agency.

Caldwell opened the briefing by showing photographs of what he said were Iranian-made mortar rounds, RPG rounds and rockets that were found in Iraq.

Also Wednesday, Pierre Kraehenbuehl, director of operations of the International Committee of the Red Cross, or ICRC, said that thousands of bodies lay unclaimed in mortuaries, with family members either unaware that they are there or too afraid to go to recover them.

Medical professionals also have been fleeing the country after cases where their colleagues were killed or abducted, the neutral agency said.

"Whatever operation that is today under way, and that may be taken tomorrow and in the weeks after, to improve the security of civilians on the ground may have an effect in the medium term," Kraehenbuehl said.

"We're certainly not seeing an immediate effect in terms of stabilization for civilians currently. That is not our reading," he said.

Iraqi soldiers held a security cordon around Fadhil on Wednesday, and residents hid frightened in their homes, a witness told The Associated Press by telephone, on condition of anonymity out of fear for his safety.

The Muslim Scholars Association, a Sunni group, issued a statement quoting witnesses as saying Tuesday's battle began after Iraqi troops entered a mosque and executed two young men in front of other worshippers. Ground forces used tear gas on civilians, it said.

"The association condemns this horrible crime carried out by occupiers and the government," the statement said.

But the witness in Fadhil said the two men were executed in an outdoor vegetable market, not in the mosque. The Iraqi military was not immediately available to comment on the claim.

The U.S. military said the battle began after American and Iraqi troops came under fire around 7 a.m. during a routine search operation. Helicopter gunships then swooped in, engaging insurgents with machine gun fire, the military said in a statement.

Some Arab television stations reported an American helicopter was shot down in the fight, and showed video of a charred piece of mechanical wreckage that was impossible to identify. The U.S. said an attack helicopter suffered damage from small arms fire but returned to base.

By Wednesday, 13 of the 16 wounded Americans had returned to duty, according to a senior U.S. military official who spoke on condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to speak about the matter. Twenty suspected insurgents were killed and 30 wounded, he said.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Foreign Affairs; Government; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: aplovesterrorists; bsheadline; headlinebias

1 posted on 04/11/2007 5:47:57 AM PDT by radar101
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To: radar101

So what, who cares, stop whining. Until the President allows us to take the fight to Iran it is useless.


2 posted on 04/11/2007 5:50:18 AM PDT by stockpirate (A nation that does not honor it warriors will be defeated by a nation that does.)
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To: radar101

3 posted on 04/11/2007 5:51:45 AM PDT by Prophet in the wilderness (PSALM 53 : 1 The FOOL hath said in his heart , There is no GOD .)
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To: radar101

Good thread, another in a long list implying, implicating, proving Iranian involvement in Iraq.
Once and for all, it’s long past due,
it’s wood shed time.


4 posted on 04/11/2007 5:53:19 AM PDT by IrishMike ( What happens when aliens breed with sheep ? - Democrats)
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To: stockpirate

Exactly. This President has refused to exercise his power to put fear in the hearts of our enemies, home and abroad.


5 posted on 04/11/2007 5:57:05 AM PDT by PA-RIVER
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To: Prophet in the wilderness

The thing is: Every soldier and Marine over there KNEW the Iranians were stirring the stuff and staffing “ Insurgents”.
The notable thing to me is:
A. This appeared on MSM news.
B. It doesn’t pussy-foot about who MAY BE propelling this.


6 posted on 04/11/2007 5:57:58 AM PDT by radar101 (Dream Team--Hunter&Thompson)
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To: radar101

I’m telling ya, the American “intelligence” community is a sharp as a butter knife !!!


7 posted on 04/11/2007 6:08:26 AM PDT by Obie Wan
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To: radar101
I wonder ( well, I guess I should not have to wonder ) if this is a good pretext to war with Iran ?
I believe once we deal with Iran ( hopefully it's before Bush leaves office in 2009 ) , that most of the problems in the middle east will stop and the insurgency will come down to a trickle.
8 posted on 04/11/2007 6:09:28 AM PDT by Prophet in the wilderness (PSALM 53 : 1 The FOOL hath said in his heart , There is no GOD .)
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To: PA-RIVER

So our troops will continue to be killed and wounded in heartbreaking reports while the enemy maintains the supply of terrorists and munitions. I remember something like this in our not to distant past. Tragically sad.


9 posted on 04/11/2007 6:14:16 AM PDT by mcshot ("If it ain't broke it doesn't have enough features." paraphrased anon.)
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To: radar101

What a bullcrap headline. Iran is not helping IRAQ but helping insurgents and terrorists who are trying to destroy Iraq. This headline gives legitimacy to the terrorists.


10 posted on 04/11/2007 6:20:15 AM PDT by SolidWood (Islam is an insanity cult that makes everyone act Arab)
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To: radar101
Also Wednesday, Pierre Kraehenbuehl, director of operations of the International Committee of the Red Cross, or ICRC, said that thousands of bodies lay unclaimed in mortuaries, with family members either unaware that they are there or too afraid to go to recover them.

OR, they're foreign fighters you moron! I think the International Red Cross is the next regime that needs to be changed. Notice they were quiet about the 15 hostages.

11 posted on 04/11/2007 6:44:12 AM PDT by McGavin999 ("Hard is not Hopeless" General Petraeus)
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To: PA-RIVER
This President has refused to exercise his power to put fear in the hearts of our enemies, home and abroad.

If you guys had attacked the democrats who are throwing marbles under his feet unstead of attacking the president like a pack of mangey street dogs following their democrat leaders, then maybe he could. But with troops like you stabbing him in the back while he's attempting to fight off the democrats along with fighting the enemy he hasn't been able to.

How do you expect him to put fear into the hearts of the enemy while you guys are dishing out hope to them faster then our troops can discourage them.

12 posted on 04/11/2007 6:49:57 AM PDT by McGavin999 ("Hard is not Hopeless" General Petraeus)
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To: PA-RIVER
This President has refused to exercise his power to put fear in the hearts of our enemies, home and abroad.

If you guys had attacked the democrats who are throwing marbles under his feet unstead of attacking the president like a pack of mangey street dogs following their democrat leaders, then maybe he could. But with troops like you stabbing him in the back while he's attempting to fight off the democrats along with fighting the enemy he hasn't been able to.

How do you expect him to put fear into the hearts of the enemy while you guys are dishing out hope to them faster then our troops can discourage them.

13 posted on 04/11/2007 6:49:59 AM PDT by McGavin999 ("Hard is not Hopeless" General Petraeus)
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To: radar101

14 posted on 04/11/2007 6:53:45 AM PDT by beeber (stuned)
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To: radar101

This type of weapon was used to kill a German IMF Bank president (or whatever) back in the ‘80’s or so. It was rigged next to a parked bike and penetrated his armoured car down the road from his home.

Of course the international radical Marxists would never join with the Mad Mullahs, they hate each other. /s


15 posted on 04/11/2007 6:54:59 AM PDT by PfromHoGro (Don't Believe the DBM: Democrat-Bureaucrat-Media Complex)
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To: radar101
B.S. HEADLINE ALERT - IRAN IS ***HURTING*** IRAQ, NOT HELPING!!

Worst headline ever.

16 posted on 04/11/2007 7:07:22 AM PDT by xjcsa (The "average temperature" of the earth is as meaningful as the "average number" in a phone book.)
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