[George W. Bush]

Some obligatory envirofascist quotes:

The right to have children should be a marketable commodity, bought and traded by individuals but absolutely limited by the state.
--Kenneth Boulding, originator of the "Spaceship Earth" concept (as quoted by William Tucker in Progress and Privilege, 1982)

We have wished, we ecofreaks, for a disaster or for a social change to come and bomb us into Stone Age, where we might live like Indians in our valley, with our localism, our appropriate technology, our gardens, our homemade religion--guilt-free at last!
--Stewart Brand (writing in the Whole Earth Catalogue).

Free Enterprise really means rich people get richer. They have the freedom to exploit and psychologically rape their fellow human beings in the process.... Capitalism is destroying the earth.
--Helen Caldicott, Union of Concerned Scientists

We must make this an insecure and inhospitable place for capitalists and their projects.... We must reclaim the roads and plowed land, halt dam construction, tear down existing dams, free shackled rivers and return to wilderness millions of tens of millions of acres of presently settled land.
--David Foreman, Earth First!

Everything we have developed over the last 100 years should be destroyed.
--Pentti Linkola

If you ask me, it'd be a little short of disastrous for us to discover a source of clean, cheap, abundant energy because of what we would do with it. We ought to be looking for energy sources that are adequate for our needs, but that won't give us the excesses of concentrated energy with which we could do mischief to the earth or to each other.
--Amory Lovins in The Mother Earth-Plowboy Interview, Nov/Dec 1977, p.22

The only real good technology is no technology at all. Technology is taxation without representation, imposed by our elitist species (man) upon the rest of the natural world.
--John Shuttleworth

What we've got to do in energy conservation is try to ride the global warming issue. Even if the theory of global warming is wrong, to have approached global warming as if it is real means energy conservation, so we will be doing the right thing anyway in terms of economic policy and environmental policy.
--Timothy Wirth, former U.S. Senator (D-Colorado)

I suspect that eradicating smallpox was wrong. It played an important part in balancing ecosystems.
--John Davis, editor of Earth First! Journal

Human beings, as a species, have no more value than slugs.
--John Davis, editor of Earth First! Journal

The extinction of the human species may not only be inevitable but a good thing....This is not to say that the rise of human civilization is insignificant, but there is no way of showing that it will be much help to the world in the long run.
--Economist editorial

We advocate biodiversity for biodiversity's sake. It may take our extinction to set things straight.
--David Foreman, Earth First!

Phasing out the human race will solve every problem on earth, social and environmental.
--Dave Forman, Founder of Earth First!

If radical environmentalists were to invent a disease to bring human populations back to sanity, it would probably be something like AIDS
--Earth First! Newsletter

Every time you turn on an electric light, you are making another brainless baby.
--Helen Caldicott, Union of Concerned Scientists

To feed a starving child is to exacerbate the world population problem.
--Lamont Cole

The only hope for the world is to make sure there is not another United States: We can't let other countries have the same number of cars, the amount of industrialization, we have in the U.S. We have to stop these Third World countries right where they are. And it is important to the rest of the world to make sure that they don't suffer economically by virtue of our stopping them.
--Michael Oppenheimer, Environmental Defense Fund

The continued rapid cooling of the earth since WWII is in accord with the increase in global air pollution associated with industrialization, mechanization, urbanization and exploding population.
--Reid Bryson, "Global Ecology; Readings towards a rational strategy for Man", (1971)

The battle to feed humanity is over. In the 1970s, the world will undergo famines. Hundreds of millions of people are going to starve to death in spite of any crash programs embarked upon now. Population control is the only answer.
--Paul Ehrlich, in The Population Bomb (1968)

I would take even money that England will not exist in the year 2000.
--Paul Ehrlich in (1969)

In ten years all important animal life in the sea will be extinct. Large areas of coastline will have to be evacuated because of the stench of dead fish.
--Paul Ehrlich, Earth Day (1970)

Before 1985, mankind will enter a genuine age of scarcity...in which the accessible supplies of many key minerals will be facing depletion.
--Paul Ehrlich in (1976)

This [cooling] trend will reduce agricultural productivity for the rest of the century.
--Peter Gwynne, Newsweek 1976

There are ominous signs that the earth's weather patterns have begun to change dramatically and that these changes may portend a drastic decline in food production--with serious political implications for just about every nation on earth. The drop in food production could begin quite soon... The evidence in support of these predictions has now begun to accumulate so massively that meteorologist are hard-pressed to keep up with it.
--Newsweek, April 28, (1975)

This cooling has already killed hundreds of thousands of people. If it continues and no strong action is taken, it will cause world famine, world chaos and world war, and this could all come about before the year 2000.
--Lowell Ponte in "The Cooling", 1976

If present trends continue, the world will be about four degrees colder for the global mean temperature in 1990, but eleven degrees colder by the year 2000. ... This is about twice what it would take to put us in an ice age.
--Kenneth E.F. Watt on air pollution and global cooling, Earth Day (1970)

[Centurion2000]

A new analysis shows that the Sun is more active now than it has been at anytime in the previous 1,000 years.

April currently tracking as coldest April in 113 years in USA

Global warming my a$$.

[yield 2 the right]

Fake article...........I truly believe that I and all of us are soley responsible for Global Warming.
I WILL have WORDS with anyone who even disagrees a bit from Al Gore and the GW crowd.

[Constitutionalist Conservative]

Newt Gingrich, call your agent.

[Para-Ord.45]

REf. Ping

[ChessExpert]

Great quotes!

The continued rapid cooling of the earth since WWII is in accord with the increase in global air pollution associated with industrialization, mechanization, urbanization and exploding population.
--Reid Bryson, "Global Ecology; Readings towards a rational strategy for Man", (1971)

Aren’t these also the causes of Global Warming?
Cars produce cooling/warming? Coal burning power-plants produce cooling/warming?

[ChessExpert]

The variation in sunspot numbers has revealed the Sun's 11-year cycle of activity

Would those be 11 earth years? Jupiter years? Mars years? Is that 11.000 years? Does this 11.000 year sun cycle have a standard deviation of 0.000?

I suspect we can compute an average (in earth years). It is not 11.000. I think I read 11.29 someplace. But if you collect a different sample of years, you will get a different mean. And who says the mean is the best measure? Maybe we should use the median or mode? The standard deviation is not zero. So let’s acknowledge it. Maybe a proper formulation would sound like this: The solar cycle is 11.295 years plus or minus 2, based upon data from 1006 to 2006. The number of sunspots vary with each cycle.

[ChessExpert]

But the most striking feature, he says, is that looking at the past 1,150 years the Sun has never been as active as it has been during the past 60 years.

Over the past few hundred years, there has been a steady increase in the numbers of sunspots, a trend that has accelerated in the past century, just at the time when the Earth has been getting warmer.

The sun is causing the earth to warm - a Captain Obvious moment.

Current usage of “global warming” means that man-made CO2 causes the earth to warm with catastrophic consequences. It is becoming increasingly clear that this is no more valid than the claims made in 1976 that man-made pollution (CO2?) causes the earth to cool with catastrophic consequences.

The primary argument in either case is “the argument from authority.” I was taught in college that this is a fallacy. The example given in my state (government) school was that of citing the authority of the Bible. It also applies to citing the authority of “scientists,” or to citing “a consensus of scientists.” In all cases, it is a fallacy. In addition to logic, we have seen that the scientists were wrong in 1976 in predicting Global Cooling.

The socialist model is that we surrender power to “experts.” Economists would plan our economy. Educators would change human nature. Environmental experts and computer modelers, cited in post 1, predicted doom and gloom if government did not reign in free enterprise (and freedom). The simple fact is that socialism has been shown to have no merit. It works poorly. It has a poor track record. Experts claim too much and are self serving. The “experts” have a poor track record, from Malthus to Marx, to Erlich, to DDT hysterics, to nuclear power hysterics, to global cooling hysterics, and now to global warming hysterics. In the case of Global whatever, I doubt that surrendering power to national governments will be “sufficient.” It is likely that global problems will inevitably require “solutions” from global government. But whether the solutions are national or international, they will be bad. They will reduce freedom and prosperity, and, ironically, this will hurt the environment.

[SunkenCiv]

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[Danae]

Ok, so who started global warming on the sun? Come on now! fess up! Al? Where are ya? We NEED answers to this!

Ok in all seriousness... the planet is getting a bit warmer, the real issue here is NOT stopping it, there is gonna be NONE of that idiocy. Lets start planning on getting people moved to higher ground. Because THAT is the issue! Not Stopping it! Good lord, want to try and tell me how to stop the Ocean? Don’t go pointing at New Orleans, we all know how THAT is turning out.... lets get realistic, if ocean levels are truly rising, then we should be holding concerts to help people move to higher ground, we should be sending all those scammed “Carbon Coupon” (or what ever the hell it is) dollars to helping the Nation of Bangladesh move inland. If there is such a MAGNITUDE of EMMINENT DIASTER looming, why are people not actually addressing solving it, by getting the hell out of the way??? I mean good LORD, we evacuate when a Hurricane is coming right? You can no more stop the warming of the planet when it is caused by the sun!!

This is the main reason I am CERTAIN that all this global warming stuff is complete CRAP, because the supporters of this utter NONSENSE are not espousing PRACTICAL solutions to the problems they say we face if their theorys are true. If the Sea level is gonna rise, why are they not going about trying to get people OFF THE COAST LINES??? Uh yea, exactly!

[John 6.66=Mark of the Beast?]

Could the increase in sun spots and the increase of land and undersea volcanic activities be contributing to the heating of the seas? From what I understand there are massive underwater volcano's in the Arctic region of the planet. Just my thought on the subject. Are we not due for a 12,000 ice age too?

[Tolsti]

Wish I was in a house instead of apartment. It’ll be great for shortwave/ham radio.

[wildbill]

They are the modern Luddites.

[Psycho_Bunny]

Ice cores record climate trends back beyond human measurements

But......they're being measured....by humans.

Do people even read what they're writing, anymore?

[Kozak]

http://www.crm114.com/algore/quiz.html

Take the quiz and see if you can tell the loons apart.....

[RightWhale]

Heard on Coast last night that the Little Ice Age following in short order the Black Death is related. Agriculture causes global warming and when 1/2 the population died agriculture also dropped way back, so the global warming effect dropped off and there it is—Little Ice Age. It was mentioned by an eminent atmospheric scientist several decades ago that we would be 5000 years into an ice age now—almost all conditions are right—except for global warming brought on by agriculture.

[AFPhys]

This latest analysis shows that the Sun has had a considerable indirect influence on the global climate in the past, causing the Earth to warm or chill, and that mankind is amplifying the Sun’s latest attempt to warm the Earth.
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Huh??? ROTFLMPO

Great environazi quotes, too, by the way.

[ken21]

thanks.

warming up mars too, no doubt.

[yhwhsman]

tracking btt

[Torie]

Ping for reference.