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New Jersey actually started this around 1998. They instituted driver's license and identification card requirements specifying several different forms of identification. More than one form of identification was required, such as a birth certificate and an out of state license, and possibly other forms of id. The documents were added based on a point scale. My firearms purchaser identification card counted as one point, even though I went through an FBI fingerprint search to get it. My old New Jersey photo license did not count for any points. I think we had to produce six points. We also had to provide proof of address, such as a lease.

Well, sig 226, isn't it a good thing that New Jersey took the lead in implementing measures to secure the state identification card system to preserve national security?

They did it because too many illegal aliens and suspended drivers had New Jersey driver's licenses. The employees at the state motor vehicle agencies in Prospect Park and Wayne were selling them out the back door.

So basically a bunch of state employees were selling fake ids and the state stuck it to all the honest citizens because they couldn't be bothered to operate an honest government. What the hell, it was New Jersey. ,p> California Patriot, do you really think that people who can get hold of RPGs, who are willing to fly airplanes into buildings, and who found ways to make bombs out of cleanser and nail polish remover will be deterred by this? I don't.

The employees at the state motor vehicle agencies in Prospect Park and Wayne were selling them out the back door.

And despite proof of government employees engaging in criminal acts, they so rarely ever arrest and prosecute one. And, having failed to close the borders and failed to secure the issuing of our current documents, they want to spend tens of billions of dollars and institute and new police-state style internal documents regimen, possibly with military checkpoints to boot.

It's all a nanny-state farce about security. They don't care about security. They care about control of the citizenry (their 'cattle') and information collection.

“The employees at the state motor vehicle agencies in Prospect Park and Wayne were selling them out the back door.”

The sheer insanity of those who think a national ID will protect us from having some low level minion circumvent the process is insane.

Will there be an all seeing, all knowing ID god who will ensure the veracity of all national ID’s and applicant? Do you possibly think that who ever gets around the rules now will not be able to get around the process with a national ID?

The only thing that is sure is there will be 100% compliance on the part of the legal citizens, and continued ignoring of the process by illegals and terrorist wanna bes.

The only difference will be the government will have a national data base on the legal citizens. A government who can’t keep it’s current data bases from falling into the hands of criminals.

Prove to me that someone in the long line of those who WILL have access to the data base will NEVER leave a laptop on the plane, or sitting in an unlocked car. Or that a “broken” or old computer whose hard drive that is not wiped won’t show up at some auction or donated to some school.

Oh, and all of the above have already happened. More chances for corruption, more certainty it will happen.
What will happen when every data base is linked to the national id?

I guarantee you someone will leave a USB key drive, or a CD/DVD laying around somewhere. With a piece of it, many bright twelve year olds will be able to access much of it. A terrorist would be able to see it all.

This is a stupid law and will NOT solve anything or prevent anything. Only a fool or a delusional person ignore the reality of that. More data, in one data base, with more people (government employees and contractors) having access to it, means greater certainty it will be accessed by those who shouldn't.

Oh and forget the idea that only a criminal or and error would ignore any law pertaining to rules regulating usage of the data base. Here is proof any state level bureaucrat can chose NOT to follow rules for the security of the data base. After someone has a firearm check run that shows the person as clean that check and the record of the purchase is by law, not to be retained by the state.

The reality is it never works that way. Many if not most states keep the record of the purchaser, the application, and the purchase on record. PA is only one state who I know does so and repeatedly has IGNORED or FOUGHT requests to follow the law not to keep them on a statewide record.

It will be mush worse with a national ID. Much worse.