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To: plain talk
"...17,000 scientists declare that global warming is a lie..."

Science is not done by consensus. All but one scientist can be wrong. There could be a million scientists and yet one scientist can be right. Unfortunately in the political realm consensus has clout. Because of that serious scientists conducted a petition drive based on a peer reviewed paper on global warming. There's a video lecture based on the peer reviewed paper. Toward the end of the video it's explained that the document and petition be put into the record at congressional hearings on global warming.

This is the URL for the petition drive with a link to the peer reviewed paper therein. "See over 17,000 scientists declare that global warming is a lie with no scientific basis whatsoever."

Here's the URL to the page that has the video link.

Another great documentary is: The Great Global Warming Swindle

6 posted on 04/09/2007 5:17:02 PM PDT by Zon (Honesty outlives the lie, spin and deception -- It always has -- It always will.)
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To: Zon
"...17,000 scientists declare that global warming is a lie...
Science is not done by consensus. All but one scientist
scientists can be wrong.

Corrected it. They can ALL be wrong: "science" (other than its original sense of "knowledge", as opposed to the current "how things REALLY work) doesn't require ANYBODY to be correct.

26 posted on 04/09/2007 6:22:01 PM PDT by sionnsar (trad-anglican.faithweb.com |Iran Azadi| 5yst3m 0wn3d - it's N0t Y0ur5 (SONY) | UN: Useless Nations)
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To: Zon
Because of that serious scientists conducted a petition drive based on a peer reviewed paper on global warming.

The "peer-reviewed paper" was a hoax. The petition drive was a sham.

More information on the crackpot Oregon Institute of Science and Medicine, which sponsored the petition drive hoax:

"he Oregon Institute of Science and Medicine (OISM) describes itself as "a small research institute" that studies "biochemistry, diagnostic medicine, nutrition, preventive medicine and the molecular biology of aging." It is headed by Arthur B. Robinson, an eccentric scientist who has a long history of controversial entanglements with figures on the fringe of accepted research."

"The Oregon Petition, sponsored by the OISM, was circulated in April 1998 in a bulk mailing to tens of thousands of U.S. scientists. In addition to the petition, the mailing included what appeared to be a reprint of a scientific paper." "... the paper was titled "Environmental Effects of Increased Atmospheric Carbon Dioxide" and was printed in the same typeface and format as the official Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences." ... "A cover note signed "Frederick Seitz/Past President, National Academy of Sciences, U.S.A./President Emeritus, Rockefeller University", may have given some persons the impression that Robinson's paper was an official publication of the academy's peer-reviewed journal. The blatant editorializing in the pseudopaper, however, was uncharacteristic of scientific papers." ... "The NAS issued an unusually blunt formal response to the petition drive. "The NAS Council would like to make it clear that this petition has nothing to do with the National Academy of Sciences and that the manuscript was not published in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences or in any other peer-reviewed journal," it stated in a news release. "The petition does not reflect the conclusions of expert reports of the Academy." In fact, it pointed out, its own prior published study had shown that "even given the considerable uncertainties in our knowledge of the relevant phenomena, greenhouse warming poses a potential threat sufficient to merit prompt responses. Investment in mitigation measures acts as insurance protection against the great uncertainties and the possibility of dramatic surprises." ...

"When questioned in 1998, OISM's Arthur Robinson admitted that only 2,100 signers of the Oregon Petition had identified themselves as physicists, geophysicists, climatologists, or meteorologists, "and of those the greatest number are physicists." This grouping of fields concealed the fact that only a few dozen, at most, of the signatories were drawn from the core disciplines of climate science - such as meteorology, oceanography, and glaciology - and almost none were climate specialists. The names of the signers are available on the OISM's website, but without listing any institutional affiliations or even city of residence, making it very difficult to determine their credentials or even whether they exist at all. When the Oregon Petition first circulated, in fact, environmental activists successfully added the names of several fictional characters and celebrities to the list, including John Grisham, Michael J. Fox, Drs. Frank Burns, B. J. Honeycutt, and Benjamin Pierce (from the TV show M*A*S*H), an individual by the name of "Dr. Red Wine," and Geraldine Halliwell, formerly known as pop singer Ginger Spice of the Spice Girls. Halliwell's field of scientific specialization was listed as "biology." Even in 2003, the list was loaded with misspellings, duplications, name and title fragments, and names of non-persons, such as company names."

Serious scientists? Do you include Spice Girls?

52 posted on 04/10/2007 12:07:49 PM PDT by cogitator
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