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To: colorcountry

No, you don’t know what you are talking about.

There is a Catholic Mission in Panguitch, Utah.
See here:
http://www.utahcatholicdiocese.org/directory/location_details.php?idx=38

There are not many Catholics in Utah at all. See here to see the charitable and educational and outreach efforts in Utah and across the nation.

http://www.utahcatholicdiocese.org/church/stats.php

I don’t particularly feel like getting into a fight with you, but I do have to ask you this question:

You have shucked off the Mormons because you don’t believe in their religion. That’s good.

And you’ve come to Christ through the Bible, and you think the Bible is sufficient. That’s good.

And you hammer on the Catholics because you think (erroneously, as it turns out) that the Catholics do not try to do anything with Panguitch, Utah, and that they should be devoting time and limited resources to a place you happen to know. Hmmmmm.

My question is: and how many of the poor have you yourself and your Bible fed, in Panguitch, Utah? And how many of the sick have you and your Bible cared for, in Panguitch, Utah. And how many people have you and your Bible converted to Christianity, in Panguitch, Utah?

Your criticism of the Church is that it lacks the resources to be everywhere, that Panguitch has needs, and that the Church leaves them unfulfilled. It’s true: the Church has limited means. And Jesus didn’t try to get to Damascus to convert the Damascenes either. Even he was limited in the reach of his arm, while living. The Church is made of living people and has limited resources. You consider it a serious and valid criticism that the Church has not been more present in Panguitch, Utah, doing more good there (evidently it IS there after all: see the above link).
So, you have identified a crying need for pastoral care and ministry in Panguitch, Utah, and it is a measure of the failure of the Catholic Church that it is not there with a very great presence (yet).
So, how are you and your Bible doing at filling that need there in Panguitch, Utah. You know they need redemption. You’ve got your Bible tucked under your arm, so you have all you need. What are you doing for the people of Panguitch? What is your missionary work there? What is the money you have invested in it? How much time and effort and money do you and your Bible spend on those poor people, neglected by the Sacraments of the Catholic Church (well, unless they go to the Catholic mission there, in Panguitch Utah, and take the Sacraments at Mass on Sunday mornings, but let’s ignore that).

It’s true, I am indeed ignorant of Panguitch, Utah. Never been there. But I know that there is a Catholic mission there. And now you do too. So I retract my earlier remarks about the Church not having the resources to serve Panguitch. The Church does serve Panguitch. You can get the sacraments there, if you want them. Conversely, can the poor folks of Panguitch, laboring in their Mormon ignorance and with the Catholic Church so inattentive to their needs, get their spiritual needs fulfilled by anything that you and your Bible are doing for them right now? Do you have a mission in Panguitch?


2,141 posted on 04/27/2007 10:32:10 AM PDT by Vicomte13 (Le chien aboie; la caravane passe.)
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To: Vicomte13
And you’ve come to Christ through the Bible, and you think the Bible is sufficient. That’s good.

And you hammer on the Catholics because you think (erroneously, as it turns out) that the Catholics do not try to do anything with Panguitch, Utah, and that they should be devoting time and limited resources to a place you happen to know. Hmmmmm.

I in fact, told you that I didn't know about the status of Panguitch at the present time. I am happy there is a mission there NOW. There wasn't (as I said) when I was a child with no resources.

The only reason I brought up the lack of presence in Panguitch, is because YOU stated that the sacraments of the Catholic Church were necessary, and that I could not have a proper understanding of Christ without the "Church." My reply was to tell you how Catholicism was not in any way, shape or form available to me as a minor. You appeared somewhat nonchalant about it. It alarmed me that you didn't seem to care.

My question is: and how many of the poor have you yourself and your Bible fed, in Panguitch, Utah? And how many of the sick have you and your Bible cared for, in Panguitch, Utah. And how many people have you and your Bible converted to Christianity, in Panguitch, Utah?

I understand what you are saying, we only do what our limited resources can do. As for poor and unfed, that wasn't the charge. It was the lack of concern (yours and the "Church's") for the souls there.

So, how are you and your Bible doing at filling that need there in Panguitch, Utah. You know they need redemption. You’ve got your Bible tucked under your arm, so you have all you need. What are you doing for the people of Panguitch? What is your missionary work there? What is the money you have invested in it? How much time and effort and money do you and your Bible spend on those poor people, neglected by the Sacraments of the Catholic Church (well, unless they go to the Catholic mission there, in Panguitch Utah, and take the Sacraments at Mass on Sunday mornings, but let’s ignore that).

There is an outreach of which I play a minor roll (The Mormons hate me as an apostate....if you couldn't tell). The protestants have made inroads in the region of rural Utah, they have converted some (not enough). The Catholics remain fairly static, and missing in action.

2,142 posted on 04/27/2007 10:55:43 AM PDT by colorcountry (An Honest Man will change his thoughts to match the truth and a Dishonest Man will change the truth)
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