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Plans for an Underwater Express[DARPA Research][100-Knot Submarine]
Military.com ^ | 02 April 2007 | Norman Polmar

Posted on 04/03/2007 10:24:52 AM PDT by Dacb

The Defense Advanced Research Projects Office (DARPA) has initiated an underwater express program to "demonstrate stable and controllable high‑speed underwater transport through supercavitation. The intent is to determine the feasibility for supercavitation technology to enable a new class of high‑speed underwater craft for future littoral missions that could involve the transport of high‑value cargo and/or small units of personnel. The program will investigate and resolve critical technological issues associated with the physics of supercavitation and will culminate in a credible demonstration a significant scale to prove that a supercavitating underwater craft is controllable at speeds up to 100 knots."

Such a 100-knot (115 miles-per-hour) undersea craft would be more than twice as the world's fastest submarine, the Soviet-built Project 661 (NATO code-name Papa). That submarine, completed in 1969, was armed with ten Amethyst anti-ship missiles (NATO designation SS-N-7) plus torpedoes. Twin reactors and twin shafts drove the Papa at 44.7 knots on trials--the fastest ever traveled by a manned underwater vehicle. She subsequently went slightly faster in service.

A book published in 1988 offered some tantalizing glimpses into the future thinking of the Soviet Navy's leadership. The Navy: Its Role, Prospects for Development and Employment written by three naval officers with a foreword by Admiral Sergey G. Gorshkov, the long-time head of the Soviet Navy (who died the year that the book was published), predicted "in the near future" the Soviet Union would develop submarines with 50 to 60 knot speeds, and more than 100 knots in the long term.

The U.S. Seawolf (SSN 21) class is credited with being the fastest U.S. nuclear submarine. While the top speed of the two Seawolf attack submarines is classified, when they were under construction the Chief of Naval Operations said that they would have an underwater speed of 35 knots.

The current DARPA underwater express program is based on the concept of supercavitation. This involves surrounding an object with a bubble of gas that allows it to travel at high speed by reducing contact with the surrounding water and hence reducing drag. The Soviet-developed VA-111 Shkvall (squall) torpedo is the best known use of this technology; that rocket-propelled torpedo has an underwater speed of about 200 knots.

In the United States the primary DARPA contracts for the "100-knot submarine" have been awarded to General Dynamics/Electric Boat, Northrop Grumman, New Systems Tech, and the University of Pennsylvania 's Applied Physics Laboratory.


TOPICS: Government; Miscellaneous
KEYWORDS: darpa; supercavitation; underwater
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1 posted on 04/03/2007 10:24:55 AM PDT by Dacb
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To: Dacb

Make sure you put in the whale avoidance system so Greenpeace and Peta doesn’t get their knickers in a twist.


2 posted on 04/03/2007 10:29:38 AM PDT by edcoil (Reality doesn't say much - doesn't need too)
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To: Jeff Head

Supersonic cavitating subs?


3 posted on 04/03/2007 10:31:31 AM PDT by CholeraJoe (Hajjis HATE the waterboard! It can turn a clam into a canary so fast Harry Potter would be jealous.)
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To: Dacb
guy named Gerry Anderson had the concept a few decades ago...


4 posted on 04/03/2007 10:34:42 AM PDT by camle (keep your mind open and somebody will fill it full of something for you)
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To: Dacb

It would have to be noisy as hell, but if they were depth charging you, getting away at 100 knots would be a good trick to pull out of the bag.


5 posted on 04/03/2007 10:36:49 AM PDT by UNGN (I've been here since '98 but had nothing to say until now)
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To: Dacb

When supercavitating, you may be fast but you won’t be quiet.


6 posted on 04/03/2007 10:40:04 AM PDT by fso301
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To: UNGN

Not counting the 200 knott Russian torpedo, what sorts of speeds are most subs’ enemies (standard torpedos, destroyers, etc.) operating at?


7 posted on 04/03/2007 10:41:51 AM PDT by CertainInalienableRights
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To: Dacb
Th tried this already and ran in to a whale. The the whale ebached itself and they had to Blow it up

It's true! I read it on the Internet!

8 posted on 04/03/2007 10:41:58 AM PDT by isthisnickcool (Hey mister, can you spare a carbon credit?)
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To: Dacb

When are we gonna see commercial submarine transports, for regular shipping, fuel, etc? I always thought that would be cool.


9 posted on 04/03/2007 10:45:50 AM PDT by Clock King ("How will it end?" - Emperor; "In Fire." - Kosh)
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To: macgyver
Darpa!

10 posted on 04/03/2007 10:48:21 AM PDT by beeber (stuned)
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To: camle
Heh...recent advances Image and video hosting by TinyPic
11 posted on 04/03/2007 10:50:40 AM PDT by Dacb (No winter lasts forever; no spring skips its turn.)
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To: Dacb

I never cared for that show. UN in charge of the world?


12 posted on 04/03/2007 10:57:37 AM PDT by camle (keep your mind open and somebody will fill it full of something for you)
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To: CertainInalienableRights
what sorts of speeds are most subs’ enemies (standard torpedos, destroyers, etc.) operating at?

30 - 40 knots

Above 40 knots in a big ship is flying.

Torpedos can go 50-60 knots but not forever.

100 Knots is racing boat speeds.

13 posted on 04/03/2007 10:59:10 AM PDT by UNGN (I've been here since '98 but had nothing to say until now)
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To: UNGN
Pretty hard to outrun a SUBROC (or its descendants/imitators) unless you can hear them coming. Unfortunately, at 100 knots, you probably can’t hear a thing underwater except the noise of your own passage through the ocean.

That said, high speed covert transit through relatively well charted and operationally safe areas is probably useful.

14 posted on 04/03/2007 10:59:34 AM PDT by Captain Rhino ( Dollars spent in India help a friend; dollars spent in China arm an enemy.)
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To: UNGN

Thank you. That really puts things in perspective for me.


15 posted on 04/03/2007 11:00:44 AM PDT by CertainInalienableRights
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16 posted on 04/03/2007 11:13:34 AM PDT by bmwcyle (Freep Fox they drop the ball on GOE)
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To: Dacb

So much for silence.


17 posted on 04/03/2007 11:34:28 AM PDT by lesser_satan (FRED THOMPSON '08)
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To: Dacb

Quiet’s out a well as navigation. I suspect this is a “dash” system; when speed, and only speed, is your friend.

You had better have a heck of a lot of open sea between you and where you’re going.


18 posted on 04/03/2007 11:59:22 AM PDT by Freeport
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To: UNGN; CertainInalienableRights

“what sorts of speeds are most subs’ enemies (standard torpedos, destroyers, etc.) operating at?”

The first nuclear-powered aircraft carrier, the USS Enterprise, had a top speed capability of 60 knots or better, though this was “classified” information at the time. In one of the space flight capsule recovery operations the capsule came down 60 nautical miles away from the Enterprise, the closest surface ship to the landing - It was announced that the Enterprise would be on site to make the recovery in an hour, and it was...60 knots to accomplish that. I had that speed capability confirmed from other sources about that same time.


19 posted on 04/03/2007 12:00:37 PM PDT by GGpaX4DumpedTea
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To: Dacb

For more information, type in DARPA+LOKI and see what you get.

“A manned underwater craft anologous to a modern Fighter aircraft etc....”

And quite a budget too.


20 posted on 04/03/2007 1:32:41 PM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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