Giuliani picks up steam in North Carolina

News & Observer ^ | April 2, 2007 | Rob Christensen and Bill Krueger

[flashbunny]

"You are simply wrong. Rudy ran a frigging SURPLUS."

Hmmm. Really?

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1812568/posts

"Forbes points to Rudy's fiscal management of New York City as proof of his conservatism. "Giuliani," he claims, "turned an inherited deficit [$2.3 billion] into a multimillion dollar surplus." It's true that during Giuliani's first term when times were tough, he contained costs and made some tax cuts. But what Forbes failed to point out is that in Rudy's second term, when the economy was booming, he abandoned fiscal restraint and became a big-spending liberal. City budget expenditures jumped 25 percent – twice the inflation rate – and Giuliani left his successor a projected operating deficit of $4.5 billion and New York's citizens with the highest tax burden in any major municipality in America."

[M. Thatcher]

Yes, really.

New York City's budget fortunes keep getting better. Barely a month after Mayor Rudolph Giuliani announced that the city would end this year with a $1.2 billion surplus, it now looks as if the number could rise to $1.5 billion or higher...The city's problem of how to deal with the surplus is certainly a welcome development.

-- Cashing In the City's Surplus, March 3, 1998, The New York Times

[flashbunny]

That’s from 1998. He had nearly 4 years left after that point. And I already posted how his reign ended.

Looks like his big spending ways took over when he smelled the money coming in.

[M. Thatcher]

From January 27, 2000

Mayor Rudolph W. Giuliani today outlined his Financial Plan for Fiscal Years (FY) 2000-2004. The Plan reflects the Administration's continued fiscal priorities of cutting taxes to stimulate continued record job growth and economic development; increasing spending in targeted areas, reducing City funded spending year-to-year by 1%, while maintaining overall City spending to less than the rate of inflation; and reducing the out-year gaps.

The Plan reflects the Administration's success in reducing taxes by $2.3 billion since 1994 -- more than any administration in the history of the City. Combined with the more than $2 billion in proposed tax cuts, this Plan will bring the total value of the Mayor's tax reduction program to $4.5 billion annually by 2004. The Plan projects a surplus for FY2000 of $2.2 billion, the largest surplus in the City's history. This is the fourth year in a row that the New York City four-year Financial Plan contains a surplus of more than $1 billion.

http://www.nyc.gov/html/om/html/2000a/pr008-00.html

[flashbunny]

And algore had a plan to reduce government waste.

Plans are one thing. Results are another.

Do you want to actually want to dispute what I posted about the way he left new york’s financial situation?

[M. Thatcher]

Do you want to actually want to dispute what I posted about the way he left new york’s financial situation?

Who are you, Moses with the tablets? Of course it should be disputed, because it isn't true.

Historian Vincent J. Cannato concluded in September 2006, "With time, Giuliani's legacy will be based on more than just 9/11. He left a city immeasurably better off — safer, more prosperous, more confident — than the one he had inherited eight years earlier, even with the smoldering ruins of the World Trade Center at its heart. Debates about his accomplishments will continue, but the significance of his mayoralty is hard to deny."

[M. Thatcher]

The city also added approximately 430,000 new jobs during Giuliani’s mayoralty the most dramatic period of job growth in New York’s history. At the same time, Giuliani restored fiscal discipline to the city’s budget, transforming the $2.3 billion annual deficit he inherited in 1993 into the $1 billion surplus he hands over to incoming mayor Michael Bloomberg.

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Rudy Giuliani: An American Hero
By John Perazzo
FrontPageMagazine.com | January 3, 2002

http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=1380

[flashbunny]

so “Giuliani left his successor a projected operating deficit of $4.5 billion and New York’s citizens with the highest tax burden in any major municipality in America.” is not true?

[M. Thatcher]

No, it's not.

See post 67.

[airborne]

It seems there are a fair number who are trying to lose elections here. Winning elections is what politics is about.

Yes it is. And so is supporting the person who is the best man for the job.

[Extremely Extreme Extremist]

"He is basically conservative, outside the social issues."

Gun control is not a social issue.

These people are your typical GOP hacks. I doubt that they're really grassroots conservatives.

[Extremely Extreme Extremist]

Envy and resentment of "the rich" is pure socialism.

Not in this context, Maggie.

The fact is, is that Republicans historically receive donations from individuals

Now they're getting their dollars from elitists, just like the Dims.

[flashbunny]

http://www.manhattan-institute.org/html/cr_23.htm

"Ostensibly armed with a new fiscal philosophy, Giuliani moved quickly to shrink the city payroll through a program of targeted severance. During his first 18 months in office, Giuliani eliminated 14,000 full-time jobs from the payroll. This reduction made it possible to deliver a fiscal 1995 budget that reduced spending by $194 million, or about 1 percent in nominal terms. His next two budgets continued to reduce spending. But it was not to last.

Temporarily tamed in the mid-1990s, city government once again is growing beyond New York’s ability to afford it. More than $2 billion in surplus funds will be needed to balance the 2002 budget. By the first year of Mayor Bloomberg’s tenure, if Giuliani’s own projections hold, the gap between expenditures and revenues will be wider than it has been for nearly a decade."

So they did have a surplus - I thought you were referring to an operating surplus - but at the end of rudy's reign they were spending money so fast that it was eating into it whatever suprlus funds they had.

[Extremely Extreme Extremist]

Money is the mother's milk of politics

But of course. But who always delivers the most money when it boils down to it (Hint: It ain't the tight-butt chaps politely conversating about politics while an illegal brings them ice tea)

[M. Thatcher]

So they did have a surplus

Yes.

[Senator Goldwater]

Culbertson said Giuliani could help Republicans win in Democratic-leaning areas.

“All we need is New Jersey and Pennsylvania and we have the next election,” Culbertson said.

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Ballgame.

Don’t think Pelosi isn’t worried about coattails, especially in places like NC, Kentucky, Indiana, MT etc.

[flashbunny]

But at the end of his term, they did have a large operating deficit.

[M. Thatcher]

But at the end of his term, they did have a large operating deficit.

Giuliani handed Bloomberg a surplus of $1 billion. Even in New York, that's real money.

[Mojave]

You are simply wrong. Rudy ran a frigging SURPLUS. Diarrheac posting of your only-half-the-story chart is indefensible, but doesn't surprise me.

More of your "diarrheac" dishonesty, this time in the form of a red herring. I never said anything about a SURPLUS, "frigging" or otherwise. I pointed out Rudy's wild spending increases; you ignored the facts and continued spewed.

Your pretense that wild increases in spending are fiscally conservative is intellectually and ethically bankrupt. Rather like Rudy's politics.

[Mojave]

"City budget expenditures jumped 25 percent – twice the inflation rate – and Giuliani left his successor a projected operating deficit of $4.5 billion and New York's citizens with the highest tax burden in any major municipality in America." --George J. Marlin, former Conservative Party nominee for mayor of the City of New York, former two term Executive Director and CEO of the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey.

Pesky old facts.