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To: jatopilot99
Sorry, no ofense meant, but your "facts" regarding what LDS members believe regarding Christ and His atonement are simply not accurate.

Jesus Christ is my personal Savior. I recognize and profess Him as such. He atoned on the cross for my sins and He is the only path to the Ftaher and to Heaven.

I believe in God the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost, who are absolutely perfetly united and one in their dedication to and offering salvation to us, their children.

I also believe them to seperate and distinct, which is supported in the New Testament by any number of versus (Stephen's testimony, the testimony associated with Christ's baptism, Peter, James and John's experience and testimony on the mount of transfiguration, Christ's own great intercessory prayer in John, the testimonies associated with christ's resurrection, and His ascention to the Father).

That nature of the three of them is a matter of discussion and disagreement among other Christian Churches as well (The Church of Christ for example) and is one of interpretation, not bearing on the essential fact and faith in Christ's atonement of all mankinf who will come to Him, as the Son of God and the author of salvation.

I am LDS and this is what I have been taught and accepted as my faith.

So, please, before repeating what others who either are not LDS, or who are disaffected, say we believe, talk to those of us who profess the faith and let us bear our witness to you.

Then you can more easily judge for yourself...and in any case, in the end, just like with your own heart-felt witness of Christ...which I accept without reservation despite whatever other differences exist...that final judgement and decision is between each of us and our Father in Heaven and His Son Jesus Christ.

73 posted on 03/31/2007 3:25:56 PM PDT by Jeff Head (Freedom is not free...never has been, never will be (www.dragonsfuryseries.com))
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To: Jeff Head

No offense taken. I am not trying to make statements that are not true. Here's the difference. Mormons believe in two types of salvation:

"Apostle James Talmage said, "The FIRST EFFECT (of the atonement) is to secure to all mankind alike, exemption from the penalty of the fall, thus, providing a plan of General Salvation. The SECOND EFFECT is to open a way for Individual Salvation whereby mankind may secure remission of personal sins. As these sins are the result of individual acts, it is just that forgiveness for them should be conditioned on individual compliance with prescribed requirements - obedience to the laws and ordinances of the Gospel" (A. of F., p. 87)."


A Christian believes that Jesus Christ died for even our individual sins, and there are no means by ourselves that we can comply earn that salvation because we are always sinners in the eyes of God.

See the difference.


92 posted on 03/31/2007 4:25:56 PM PDT by jatopilot99 (Mitt Romney is pro-abortion, pro-gay, and pro-euthanasia!)
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