That’s interesting that you try to make your point by changing the text in the King Follett discourse from Joseph Smith’s reference to ‘Spirit’ to ‘Intelligence’. I’m simply posting what the text says, I didn’t write it or alter it in any way.
This King Follett discourse is officially accepted by the Mormon Church, and included in the History and the Churches Journal of Discourses. If you question whether my source is valid or not, then by all means, I encourage you to find a source that you consider valid (www.lds.org). You’ll find it says the same thing.
Do you have a problem with what was said? That Joseph Smith said that God did not have the power to create our Spirits?
>>That’s interesting that you try to make your point by changing the text in the King Follett discourse from Joseph Smith’s reference to ‘Spirit’ to ‘Intelligence’. I’m simply posting what the text says, I didn’t write it or alter it in any way.
You are amazing!
We already had the discussion of how all spirits are intelligences, like all men are human. The reverse is not true. We also talked about how often in the King Follet discourse Joseph often used them interchangeably when talking about the union (it’s a math thing) between the two sets intelligence, and Spirit. I point out that the King Follet discourse was reconstructed from personal notes taken by people who were there. This reconstruction took place years after the discourse and after Joseph Smith was martyred. (he was no available for comment on the compiled amalgam of his sermon) Your point was that his statement as you quoted it is at odds with other statements he made before the discourse, and after. Your point is that he can’t be a prophet, because he contradicts himself. It is more reasonable to assume that his words were consistent with the many documented times in which he spoke publicly on the same topic? Not to you. Is it more reasonable to assume that using a word interchangeably might confuse an amateur note taker? Not to you.
So, post the link you got this from, since I could not find it at the sites I have used (and no the King follet Discourse is not on LDS.org sit because it is not cannon of the church for exactly the reasons I state here that it might be wrong. If the source cannot be authenticated, the document will not be considered Cannon by the church.
If you are going to judge us and challenge us do so by canonized scripture or accept that we will start discussing the books in the apocrypha, and the Gnostic Gospels. Care to discuss the Gospel of Mary?
>>This King Follett discourse is officially accepted by the Mormon Church
No, it is not, it is included only in historical materials, not in doctrinal materials.
>>and included in the History and the Churches Journal of Discourses
Historical records, was there a King Follet Sermon, undoubtedly, however we do not have an accurate transcript of what was said.
>>If you question whether my source is valid or not, then by all means, I encourage you to find a source that you consider valid (www.lds.org). You’ll find it says the same thing.
Fine, I’ll find good online source right after you reveal yours (grin this is the third time you have missed your opportunity to be forthcoming.)
>>Do you have a problem with what was said?
I am sure that what was said was consistent with the other sermons Joseph Smith gave on the spur of the moment. I have a problem with what you say was said. You have refused to post a link to your source. I Googled your quote and found nothing that was not on an obvious anti-Mormon site. I Googled the King Follet discourse and went to non-church sites with the King Follet discourse on it and used the search function (on at leas three sites), on none of them did I get a “Hit” on your sentence of import. This tells me you are using a quote that was tweaked by anti Mormons. I have repeatedly invited and implored you to share your link so all the readers can know you are on the up and up. You have not done so, you have not stated that you do not have such a link for any valid reason (typed it from a book, etc). I am left with the conclusion that you came to this thread, acted interested in discussion, then jump on your favorite topic and are using a quotation you know to may be tainted.
>>That Joseph Smith said that God did not have the power to create our Spirits?
This is precisely the point, without a link, I cannot be sure that it is credible that Joseph Smith actually said that.
Do you care to actually tell where you got this quote, or are you going to go on unsupported, and therefore without credibly?
It is entirely up to you. You are asserting something was said that was inconsistent, the “Burden of proof” would have to be on you. I have tried to verify your quote, and failed, your refusal to post the link does not look good.
Have a nice day.