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To: Man50D
NAFTA has absolutely nothing to do with illegal immigration -- zip, zero, nada.

Free trade and a failure to police our borders are two separate issues.

15 posted on 03/31/2007 7:01:09 AM PDT by BfloGuy (It is not from the benevolence of the butcher, the brewer, or the baker, that we can expect . . .)
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To: BfloGuy
If you keep both eyelids squeezed together, I promise that you will never see the truth.

Keep this SECRET!

The idea behind NAFTA was to get US manufacturers into MEXICO. That was supposed to provide them with lots of jobs. Don't tell anyone but had the Plan worked as advertised they wouldn't have needed to come here to find jobs.

Instead, China jumped in with labor costs below Mexico and blew the best laid UN plans all to Smithereens.

16 posted on 03/31/2007 8:28:15 AM PDT by B4Ranch ("Steer clear of entangling alliances with any portion of the foreign world." -George Washington-)
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To: BfloGuy

NAFTA has absolutely nothing to do with illegal immigration


NAFTA was touted to curb illegal immigration...that's the relationship most on FR draw...that's fair criticism.


17 posted on 03/31/2007 8:39:36 AM PDT by chasio649
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To: BfloGuy
NAFTA has absolutely nothing to do with illegal immigration -- zip, zero, nada.

Why that isn't true at all.

Illegal immigration is a known result of "free trade" agreements. The WTO, UN and World Bank call it 'migration' and with all the "free trade" agreements being signed today they predict cataclysmic shifts in global populations as third worlders pick up an move to first world countries to take advantage of "free trade". The WTO even has a name for it Mode 4 or "free movement of persons".

NAFTA started the ball rolling by displacing millions of Mexican farmers and farmworkers. The border patrol under Doris Meissner was told to turn a blind eye to these criminal entrants, because "free trade" protects "migrants" who send money back to their home countries because its a big part of the global economy and helps to cement globalization that has been forced on nations.

The illegal entrants, in turn came to the US illegally to make money to send home. Mexico's economy benefits by at least $40 billion in remittances alone.

The next act to seal illegal immigration as a function of "free trade", was the negotiations by Mexico and other South American countries to make the cost of sending this money out of our country cheaper. So the big, formerly US banks like Bank of America, Wells Fargo and Citibank, started negotiating into the trade negotiations the right to access the Mexican market. ("free trade" is run by 'working groups' --like the SPP- of transnational corporations wanting to take a bite out of every economy on the planet without having to deal with 'barriers to trade' like governments and citizens--) They saw $40 billion they wanted to get a cut from, so even though they were asked not to by the department of homeland security, they started accepting the phony matricular consular id cards so illegals could set up bank accounts here and even get loans to purchase real estate.

This is the so called 'economic integration' by the "free traders"

It is also the 'cultural integration' that "free traders" negotiate, but mainly integration Mexican culture into America, as opposed to vice versa. You see the integration of this culture by the forcing of states, counties, towns and cities to offer bilingual everything to non citizens, voting,hospital care, schools, police it goes on and on. The 'working groups' empowered under NAFTA negotiated this long ago. "free traders" call it giving migrants the same rights as 'nationals' (read citizens). Thats why illegals have so much political clout here, they must not be discriminated against for being here illegally and this is the crux of the disastrous amnesty proposal by our globalist politicians in Washington.
19 posted on 03/31/2007 9:37:01 AM PDT by hedgetrimmer (I'm a billionaire! Thanks WTO and the "free trade" system!--Hu Jintao top 10 worst dictators)
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To: BfloGuy
"NAFTA has absolutely nothing to do with illegal immigration -- zip, zero, nada."

I'd probably agree if you limited your statement to free trade - that really is another subject.

But NAFTA and illegal immigration are two sides of the same coin - the both provide a means to legitimize the presence of mexican jetsam on American soil and shared profits for investors.

They both come from an elitist concept of US/mexican shared destiny and they both intend to blur the borders to a degree that is already giving mexico veto power over US policy. The influx of illegals is already building to a majority voice in large segments of domestic politics and that voice follows precisely the social and economic goals of the two elites.

(Canada is only in the formula to add bulk, I doubt that NAFTA has much impact on them at all but am open to correction on that matter.)

20 posted on 03/31/2007 10:11:36 AM PDT by norton
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