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To: UKrepublican
You are talking nonsense. Bail us out? Maybe you have forgotten world war two, but it was US that stood up to the nazis, not "the US".

As for BRITAIN not having the marbles, did we have marbles when we stood by you on Iraq? Or Afghanistan?

We love you, Cousins, but the fact is without the US you would lost WWII, and quite possibly WWI as well.

There is no question Britain stood for its commitments in 1914 and 1939, but it's actual hard military power wasn't up to the drill then.

Now, the problem seems to be you've virtually NO significant military power left. Your SAS, and probably the few remaining regiments of the Army and squadrons of the RAF - I withhold judgment on the RN - are outstandingly good, but there are simply not enough of them to matter, even against a third class power like Iran. Your ability to actually project power comes almost entirely at the courtesy of the United States navy and air force. Which is really sad.

If 100% - or even a substantial majority - of the British saw us as allies and were with us, I'd say "OK, no problem, send along what you've got and we're damned glad to have you" but increasingly it looks like most Brits see us as more the enemy than the Iranians. Blair is with us, but barely, and has held us back from doing things as timely and as aggressively as we thought right.

Now, British sailors and marines docilely perform on Iranian video while HM Government dithers and sputters. A real power would have handed the Iranian ambassador his passports if the people and their equipment weren't returned within 24 hours. And you'd be in the 3rd day of mobilization by now, which traditionally, is when officers swords are sent to the armorer for sharpening (see AJP Taylor English History 1914-1945)

55 posted on 03/29/2007 10:02:25 AM PDT by CatoRenasci (Ceterum Censeo Arabiam Esse Delendam -- Forsan et haec olim meminisse iuvabit)
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To: CatoRenasci
Good points.

Further up on the thread somebody lucidly pointed out that Tony Blair demanded Israel not respond too harshly when Hezbollah kidnapped those two Israeli soldiers...still in custody BTW.

Now, he has to comply himself, it seems.

58 posted on 03/29/2007 10:15:36 AM PDT by DCPatriot ("It aint what you don't know that kills you. It's what you know that aint so" Theodore Sturgeon))
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To: CatoRenasci

"We love you, Cousins, but the fact is without the US you would lost WWII, and quite possibly WWI as well."

I don't deny, the russians could also make that claim. However, there never would have been a world war two at that time had we not stood up to them. The threat would have got even worse.

"Now, the problem seems to be you've virtually NO significant military power left"

That's false, our military, while not the force it once was, is still one of the top militaries on the planet.

"If 100% - or even a substantial majority - of the British saw us as allies and were with us, I'd say "OK, no problem, send along what you've got and we're damned glad to have you" but increasingly it looks like most Brits see us as more the enemy than the Iranians. Blair is with us, but barely, and has held us back from doing things as timely and as aggressively as we thought right."

You are being misled by the media, and the discontented minority. The majority of brits are very glad to have you as an ally.

Blair hasn't held you back, he's been by your side when decisions have been made, and almost unanimously supportive of those decisions.

"Now, British sailors and marines docilely perform on Iranian video while HM Government dithers and sputters."

While Mr Presidents government have said they'd respond in a near identical way.

What the hell do you expect us to do?

Start a war?

Have patience and be realistic for once. Their are British lives at risk, and we certainly aren't going in all guns blazing while they have our sailors captive, as it would result in the murder of everyone of them.




63 posted on 03/29/2007 10:54:19 AM PDT by UKrepublican
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To: CatoRenasci
I'm afraid you're right......I have all the respect in the world for the British....all the respect, but the sad truth is that they broke themselves on the rocks of WWI, wiping out almost an entire generation of brave, bright, young Englishmen. Whatever they had left, they used up in WWII fighting the Nazis while we (the U.S.) took our time entering into the fight.

That being said, Thank you Britian for not taking so long to rush to our side when trouble was brewing.

May God still smile on your nation.

-fb

80 posted on 03/29/2007 12:02:48 PM PDT by freedombird
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