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To: BlackElk
You state that:

After decades of law practice, let me tell you that truth is a complete defense to any claim of defamation... Obviously, you and I disagree on Ron Paul. Let's not pretend that our disagreement has anything whatsoever with your religion or mine.

My problem is exactly that: You're not speaking Truth, but rather Bearing False Witness, when you say:

That's not the Truth. You've already admitted yourself that Ron Paul at least believes that the Pro-Life Cause is worth fighting for; and Ron Paul has already demonstrated by his Votes that he believes in fighting against "those nations, organizations, or persons he determines planned, authorized, committed, or aided the terrorist attacks that occurred on September 11, 2001, or harbored such organizations or persons, in order to prevent any future acts of international terrorism against the United States by such nations, organizations or persons". (The Exact Text of the 2001 Authorization for Use of Military Force "against those responsible for the recent attacks launched against the United States", which Ron Paul voted FOR.)

So -- say anything you want about Iraq; but if you will retract your false claims with regard to Ron Paul in reference to the 9/11 attacks, I'll retract my charge that you are Willfully Violating the Ninth Commandment (Roman Catholic Eighth) against Bearing of False Witness.

If you do not, my charge stands. Bearing of False Witness is UnChristian: a Sin.

50 posted on 03/29/2007 2:28:03 AM PDT by OrthodoxPresbyterian (We are Unworthy Servants; We have only done Our Duty -- Luke 17:10)
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To: OrthodoxPresbyterian
Given that paleoPaul is voting for surrender in Iraq, Murtha style, I can easily live with your insistent refusal to recognize that truth.

That Paul did not have the courage of his misguided resistance to war to stand up to a hurricane of public enthusiasm for striking back against the Islamofascisti for 9/11 proves little. That he wants to force American troops to flee from the field of battle for want of financial support in his petulant opposition to manly foreign policy proves a lot more.

You are wasting your time if you expect me to give any quarter whatsoever much less apologies for telling the truth as to anyone (Ron Paul) posing as a conservative who acts in the interests of the enemies of our civilization. Dubya made a major mistake by not relentlessly attacking the enemies of this war as the enemies of our country that they are. They are nothing but the modern equivalent of the anti-American trash who gutted the Vietnam War.

68 posted on 03/29/2007 10:03:05 AM PDT by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline of the Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Club)
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To: OrthodoxPresbyterian
Truth is also a complete defense to charges of False Witness. Charging truth with being False Witness is itself False Witness. When I need your moral advice or YOPIOS, I will apostasize from Christ's Church and join yours. Don't hold your breath on either account.

Also Ron Paul may be a pro-lifer but he is too busy being a a self-appointed "constitutionalist" cartoon figure to get anything accomplished in the way of "fighting" for pro-life, much less retaliating against those Islamofascists who live to attack America. Paul is as nutty as a fruitcake and the pseudo-right's equivalent of the late Henry Gonzalez, totally in love with his own eccentric opinions and boring the heck out of anyone watching special orders on C-SPAN with his irrelevant fantasies.

69 posted on 03/29/2007 10:11:03 AM PDT by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline of the Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Club)
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To: OrthodoxPresbyterian; BlackElk
BlackElk: After all, Ron Paul is a paleopacifist and therefore believes that nothing is worth fighting for.

OP: That's not the Truth.

Truth isn't really the issue here. This is more a matter of opinion meeting over-the-top rhetoric. Does Ron Paul really believe "nothing is worth fighting for"? That is BlackElk's inference from Mr. Paul's Iraq policy, but it is rooted in a fundamental assumption of bad faith.

This is the big problem in political discourse today. If I disagree with you, I must be evil. To hear from some uber-Republicans, if I think Bush mishandled the war because of an ideological blindness, I must be a traitor or a troll. I've gotten suspended for articulating that belief. It's alright, because I catch hell at school for articulating a pro-military viewpoint.

The thing is, Mr. Paul holds the viewpoint that we should leave Iraq. I believe that to be a disastrous policy, but do not doubt his good faith in holding it. I have no reason to believe otherwise.

77 posted on 03/29/2007 8:46:51 PM PDT by jude24
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