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Giuliani campaigns in Newport Beach (and outlines his positions)
Daily PIlot ^ | March 24, 2007 | Amanda Pennington and Alicia Robinson

Posted on 03/25/2007 11:44:12 AM PDT by FairOpinion

Former New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani led off with his strongest card, his terrorism-fighting credentials, before touching on healthcare, immigration and energy policy in a speech to a welcoming crowd Saturday.

"Sept. 11, 2001, taught me — and I believe it taught a lot of people, including President Bush — that we have to remain on offense," Giuliani said. "That means that we have to use our military. We can't show weakness."

Giuliani seemed to hit all the right notes Saturday, getting applause when he criticized Democrats' stance on healthcare and advocated vouchers for schools.

On immigration, he told reporters he doesn't support amnesty for illegal immigrants, but he could support a guest worker program if there were adequate border security and tamper-proof ID cards. He said that even if illegal immigrants "can demonstrate that they are lawful, that they are paying taxes [and] that they'll pay penalties," they still shouldn't be put ahead of people who go through legal channels.

"And citizenship here, if it's earned, should be premised on being able to read and write English and understand American history, so we restore assimilation to the process of immigration," he said.

"Nothing will unite the Republicans more than a candidate who can beat Hillary Clinton," Curry said.

(Excerpt) Read more at dailypilot.com ...


TOPICS: Politics/Elections; US: California
KEYWORDS: electionpresident; elections; giuliani; rudy
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To: FairOpinion
Pretending that Giuliani is no different from Hillary is not only disingenuous, but it's an insult to people's intelligence.

OK, you're right. I'll admit it. Rudy looks better in a dress.

61 posted on 03/25/2007 1:23:47 PM PDT by madprof98 ("moritur et ridet" - salvianus)
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To: BonnieJ

This is a very interesting question. He apparently had two terms in the senate, got quite reasonably sick of that institution's legendary intertia, and quit. (He served out his two terms but did not run for re-election, which he would have almost certainly won.)

I would feel a lot better if he had been mayor of a major city or governor of a major state. Governor's probably the best position since most states are organized like the Federal government in miniature, and so they give the candidate a good idea of what he will be up against.

I'm dismayed at how few candidates in this race have successful executive experience, to tell the truth. Aside from Rudy, the closest match we have is Hillary Clinton's period as "co-President", where she pretty much flopped.

I think the reason there is so much interest in Thompson is that he is more socially conservative than the leaders, and has the name ID to make a difference in this race. For that reason, it's much harder to dismiss him as someone who cannot win, like Duncan Hunter. (To give you an idea of this, note that Duncan Hunter has never had over 2% of polls, while Thompson is at 9% with no campaign organization yet.)

From what I can see, Thompson's acting career was considerably more successful than his political one. Nothing wrong with that, but it doesn't make me think of him as Presidential material.

D


62 posted on 03/25/2007 1:27:19 PM PDT by daviddennis (If you like my stuff, please visit amazing.com, my new social networking site!)
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To: wagglebee

So now reminding people of what they once posted about the president is considered disparaging? Huh, you learn something new everyday on Free Republic.


63 posted on 03/25/2007 1:30:44 PM PDT by Peach (The Clinton's' pardoned more terrorists than they captured or killed.)
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To: narses

Uh, spam is considered something that gets posted repeatedly, whether it's true or not is another matter altogether. But hey, if you don't mind that people think you're too ignorant to know what spam is, carry on.


64 posted on 03/25/2007 1:31:59 PM PDT by Peach (The Clinton's' pardoned more terrorists than they captured or killed.)
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To: Peach

Perhaps not, but I notice that you are unwilling to answer my question. (Here's a hint, it's not some sort of riddle, it's very straightforward.)


65 posted on 03/25/2007 1:33:43 PM PDT by wagglebee ("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
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To: Peach

Posting facts, one to a thread, is not spam. But you knew that, didn't you. If you disagree, tell JimRob. He is the arbiter of the TOS here, right?


66 posted on 03/25/2007 1:34:28 PM PDT by narses ("Freedom is about authority." - Rudolph Giuliani)
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To: Peach

Okay then here's a new one for you since you seem to have stooped to disparaging Jim Robinson as you attempt to establish a bleeding heart liberal should have conservative support. This is simply a question, there is no opinion in it. So, let's see how you do.

I'll ask a question I asked the other day that the Rudyites have been unable to sufficiently respond to:

If I referred to an anonymous candidate and I did not give you their party affiliation and gave you the following information:

- The candidate believes in the "right" to abortion, including partial birth abortion.
- The candidate believes in the "right" of homosexuals to have a legal union that resembles marriage.
- The candidate believes in the "right" of illegal aliens to illegally enter and remain in our country.
- The candidate believes government has the "right" to modify the Second Amendment of the Constitution at will to curtail the right to keep and bear arms.

If this was the ONLY information you had, would your conclusion be that this unnamed candidate was a conservative Republican or a liberal Democrat?


67 posted on 03/25/2007 1:35:02 PM PDT by narses ("Freedom is about authority." - Rudolph Giuliani)
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To: Peach; narses
Uh, spam is considered something that gets posted repeatedly, whether it's true or not is another matter altogether.

You mean like the Goebbels-style repetition that Rudy is a conservative in hopes that enough people will be duped into believing it?

68 posted on 03/25/2007 1:36:33 PM PDT by wagglebee ("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
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To: wagglebee; Peach

Or the constant reposting of pro-Rudy articles?


69 posted on 03/25/2007 1:38:51 PM PDT by narses ("Freedom is about authority." - Rudolph Giuliani)
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To: narses
The Mayor is Better Known to Conservatives than Some will Acknowledge


Many columnists and pundits question what will happen when Republicans “find out about the Mayor’s views on social issues.” Many of these stories are being generated by the same people that speculated that Mayor Giuliani would never run for President. Over the course of the last month, that question has been dispelled.


A recent Newsweek poll shows Mayor Giuliani with a 25-point lead among Republican and Republican leaning voters and a 30-point lead among social conservatives. Mayor Giuliani has a wider lead among social conservatives than he does among Republicans in general. SOCIAL CONSERVATIVES already know who Rudy Giuliani is. In fact, more than 70% say they know “some or a lot” about him – these numbers are almost identical or better than other candidates in the race.


SOCIAL CONSERVATIVES are already more likely than Republicans in general to know the Mayor’s positions on key issues. Social conservatives are tuned in to the campaign and they like what they see in Mayor Giuliani.


According to recent analysis by Gallup Poll, Mayor Giuliani receives 47% of the votes among those that attend church “nearly weekly or monthly,” leading his nearest opponent by 28-points. Mayor Giuliani’s ballot share decreases to 31% among those that “attended church weekly” - yet he maintains a 7-point lead over his nearest opponent.


After reviewing other data, I have found similar evidence.


About half of Republican primary voters consider themselves to be “very conservative.” Among those “very conservative” Republican voters, Mayor Giuliani generally maintains a lead.


Another interesting point, about two-thirds of “very conservative” Republican primary voters consider Mayor Giuliani to be a moderate or a liberal. Yet even with these voters, Mayor Giuliani holds a 5-point lead over his nearest competitor.


The fact is - most Republicans believe that Mayor Giuliani is a social moderate or liberal and Mayor Giuliani leads all major candidates in this race (even among “very conservative” Republicans).


There are, of course, some voters that will never vote for Mayor Giuliani, and we know that we will see polls tighten. But the “when voters find out about Rudy’s record the sky will fall” notion is a myth.


Rudy’s positions and record are already known among most Republican primary voters and are factored in to the current polling.


What We Can Expect

Discrediting the commitment of the Mayor to run for President did not work. Telling....(DESPERATE SPAMMING) Republicans that the Mayor’s positions on issues are unacceptable to primary voters does not work either. http://hotlineblog.nationaljournal.com/archives/2007/03/rudy_memo_stron_1.html
70 posted on 03/25/2007 1:41:17 PM PDT by Blackirish
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To: narses

Reminding us that he was Mayor of NYC on 9/11/01 is starting to remind me of sKerry's Pavlovian mention of being in Vietnam.


71 posted on 03/25/2007 1:41:27 PM PDT by wagglebee ("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
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To: Blackirish
Pro-Illegal Immigration

As Tom Bevan of RealClearPolitics has pointed out, Rudy is an adherent of the same approach to illegal immigration that John McCain, Ted Kennedy, George Bush, and Harry Reid have championed:

"While McCain has taken heat for his support of comprehensive immigration reform, Rudy is every bit as pro-immigration as McCain - if not more so. On the O'Reilly Factor last week Giuliani argued for a "practical approach" to immigration and cited his efforts as Mayor of New York City to "regularize" illegal immigrants by providing them with access to city services like public education to "make their lives reasonable." Giuliani did say that "a tremendous amount of money should be put into the physical security" needed to stop the flow of illegal immigrants coming across the border, but his overall position on immigration is essentially indistinguishable from McCain's."

That's bad enough. But, as Michelle Malkin has revealed, under Giuliani, New York was an illegal alien sanctuary and "America's Mayor" actually sued the federal government in an effort to keep New York City employees from having to cooperate with the INS:

"When Congress enacted immigration reform laws that forbade local governments from barring employees from cooperating with the INS, Mayor Rudy Giuliani filed suit against the feds in 1997. He was rebuffed by two lower courts, which ruled that the sanctuary order amounted to special treatment for illegal aliens and were nothing more than an unlawful effort to flaunt federal enforcement efforts against illegal aliens. In January 2000, the Supreme Court rejected his appeal, but Giuliani vowed to ignore the law."

If you agree with the way that Nancy Pelosi and Company deal with illegal immigration, then you'll find the way that Rudy Giuliani tackles the issue to be right down your alley.

CLICK HERE TO READ MORE OF GIULIANI'S LEFT-WING POLITICAL POSITIONS

72 posted on 03/25/2007 1:42:07 PM PDT by narses ("Freedom is about authority." - Rudolph Giuliani)
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To: Blackirish

If I referred to an anonymous candidate and I did not give you their party affiliation and gave you the following information:

- The candidate believes in the "right" to abortion, including partial birth abortion.
- The candidate believes in the "right" of homosexuals to have a legal union that resembles marriage.
- The candidate believes in the "right" of illegal aliens to illegally enter and remain in our country.
- The candidate believes government has the "right" to modify the Second Amendment of the Constitution at will to curtail the right to keep and bear arms.

If this was the ONLY information you had, would your conclusion be that this unnamed candidate was a conservative Republican or a liberal Democrat?


73 posted on 03/25/2007 1:42:37 PM PDT by narses ("Freedom is about authority." - Rudolph Giuliani)
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To: TomServo
I won't be joining anybody voting for Rudy.

This election is going to be very difficult for that special breed of conservative that aches for the good old days (that never really existed anyway) to come back.

Either the electorate puts their confidence in a Hillary or Obama, sending the folks who think this way a powerful repudiation, or the electorate puts their confidence in a Rudy or Romney, sending the folks to think that way a strong love tap that nonetheless tells them to get with the program.

74 posted on 03/25/2007 1:43:01 PM PDT by HitmanLV ("If at first you don't succeed, keep on sucking until you do suck seed." - Jerry 'Curly' Howard)
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To: narses

There you go spamming again!

You will notice that the Rudyites can't bring themselves to answer it.


75 posted on 03/25/2007 1:47:18 PM PDT by wagglebee ("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
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To: FairOpinion; Victoria Delsoul
Pretending that Giuliani is no different from Hillary is not only disingenuous, but it's an insult to people's intelligence.

They aren't pretending. Paraphrasing William Blake, "The eye that alters, alters all." So shrill and myopic, some people detach further and further from reality to the point that they can't really trust their senses nor their judgment.

To the altered mind, there isn't a difference between Rudy and Hilly. This speaks volumes for the bearer of the altered mind, and less so much for Rudy or Hilly.

76 posted on 03/25/2007 1:50:07 PM PDT by HitmanLV ("If at first you don't succeed, keep on sucking until you do suck seed." - Jerry 'Curly' Howard)
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To: mariabush
BINGO!!

...was his name-o.

77 posted on 03/25/2007 1:50:35 PM PDT by HitmanLV ("If at first you don't succeed, keep on sucking until you do suck seed." - Jerry 'Curly' Howard)
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To: tkathy
On immigration, he told reporters he doesn't support amnesty for illegal immigrants, but he could support a guest worker program if there were adequate border security and tamper-proof ID cards. He said that even if illegal immigrants "can demonstrate that they are lawful, that they are paying taxes [and] that they'll pay penalties," they still shouldn't be put ahead of people who go through legal channels.

"And citizenship here, if it's earned, should be premised on being able to read and write English and understand American history, so we restore assimilation to the process of immigration," he said.




Rudy is like a breath of fresh air! And he is not one to renege on campaign promises. If he becomes President he will inherit 8 years of neglect and turning a blind eye to illegal immigration. What a freakin' mess!

Go Rudy!
78 posted on 03/25/2007 1:54:03 PM PDT by KATIE-O (Rudy Giuliani - Restoring Optimism in '08)
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To: oceanview
The conervatives can't elect anyone on their own. they couldn't even return people like Allen and Talent to the Senate in 2006.

Allen lost a close one, but Santorum was squashed like a bug with a margin of around 20 points. Only the most myopic, conservative far out space nut can't see the significance in an articulate, strong conservative being thoroughly rejected by the electorate.

Conservatives have to be realistic - this isn't their hour. Sadly, their hour may have been back in 1956.

79 posted on 03/25/2007 1:55:05 PM PDT by HitmanLV ("If at first you don't succeed, keep on sucking until you do suck seed." - Jerry 'Curly' Howard)
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To: narses
Duncan Whatshisname?? NEVER, NEVER, NEVER! Not in a million years. I will not throw away my vote.
80 posted on 03/25/2007 1:56:04 PM PDT by KATIE-O (Rudy Giuliani - Restoring Optimism in '08)
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