Posted on 03/25/2007 5:17:55 AM PDT by Dog
As Churchill stated after Munich, "They were given a choice between war and dishonor. They chose dishonor, and now will have war." Too bad Carter didn't know squat about history.
Absolutely. Every time I try to use a historical analogy they respond with blank stares.
"I can't imagine American forces allowing this to happen before their eyes and not try to stop it.
And I mean that as no disservice to the Brits, I really don't."
This is primarily a british incident so I'm am sure Bush has already told Blair that we stand by them 100%. They have stood with us in both Iraq and Afghanistan. They are just weighing all the possibilities and consequences. Blair is the one that has more to lose if he doesn't act.
The NATO community needs to close all borders and air space in and out of Tehran. The U.N. just needs to go away. All of their cocktail parties over the years have shown how feckless and ineffective that body truely is. I truly don't know why it needs to be in the U.S. Relocate it to Fiji or somewhere. I cannot believe we were actually going to allow the Great Mahdi a visa to come to the U.S. after he states he wants nuke weapons and wants to wipe israel off the map. Are we insane?
Big Time "Talk".............no Action
The Islamists have had our number since Carter established the wimp doctrine and Clinton re-affirmed it. And now neither we nor our allies will be safe anywhere in the world, and somehow the left feels that this middle east mess is a result of Bush's doctrine. Can you believe it. They have had the worst foreign policy in the history of this country that we are just beginning to pay for and they want to transfer the blame and continue with more of the same fiasco.
All the mess we are in in the Middle East is because Carter failed to act (though Iran wasn't going to allow Reagan to be in office 10 minutes while they held the American hostages). Clinton proved to bin Laden (in bin Laden's own words and correctly so I might add) that America (at least the left) dosen't have the stomach to stand up for America and there by sends an engraved invitation to the Islamists, and the Kennedy's, Kerry's, Pelosi's, Murtha's and etc. of the world are lost in the fog of their own complicity in the root cause of this mess.
This guy is a clown, it appears that he cherry picks a thread every few months just to drop a few bombs.
So, as I understand it - the Brits had a frigate there but the Commodore was ordered to hold his fire....
Well, why bother having a frigate there?
Save yourself some money - and get rid of the frigate and just have a bunch of inflatable rafts running about since you aren't going to use the fire power of the frigate anyway.
This is NOT the much vaunted British Navy of old. That was a Navy that controlled the world.
Now they can't even control some beach boats sent out by a two bit country like Iran to capture their people and equipment.
And....its the second time in a couple of years this has happened so its not some fluke.
It's a symptom -
If the British Navy is at this level of "fright" - we, the United States, are indeed alone.
Of course, there was the time when a two person motor boat was able to come alongside a U.S. N. war vessel and blew up and almost sank our destroyer. Killed our sailors. Because we forgot that it is a very old naval precept to always always always defend and protect the ship - especially in a hostile harbor. To allow a harbor craft to come alongside without challenge is inconceivable.
These people need to re-read some of the old naval literature - going back about 500 years.
Well, we are not only alone, we are also going down the same road.
This was clearly planned and I believe the Captain of the ship the British stopped was in on ot. It was an ambush clear and simple and the second time they have done this. How long before they do it again? Time to make an example.
Why didn't the britsh commander go get his men back and then notify the politicians? If he got fired he would still be a national hero.
Lets see the brits were in uniform conducting a sanction mi9ssion and the five Iranians were in civilian clothes conducting military operations against coalition forces. Who are the spies?
I was upset in 1991 when we didn't finish the job in Iraq, I was royally pissed that Carter didn't level Iran when they had our diplomats. My son is deployed over in the Persian Gulf as we speak and I say nuke Iran back to the stone age so my grandchildren won't have to deal with it.
I like Daladier's response to the acclaim he received when he returned to Paris after Munich. He said to his aid, "The fools!".
Given the "restraint" Washington puts on our troops in the field, not hard to imagine at all.
"I hereby re-christen that boat the HMS Cornwallis."
H.M.S. Chamberlain.
"Some don't have children to send. Some won't send their chidlren. While others are affected by doublethink, or the concept of holding two contradictory ideas in one's mind and accepting both of them."
NOBODY sends their children!
Their adult offspring hear the call to duty and volunteer.
40mm guns of the USS HORNET fire at Japanese suicide dive bombers, the Kamikazes, as the carrier's own planes were raiding Tokyo, February 16, 1945. By the end of the war, Japan will have sent an estimated 2,257 Kamikazes. "The only weapon I feared in the war," Admiral Halsey said.
I don't think so...shrillary wants a Belgrado moment....something like a multiple Fosterization.
"and although the sailors would have been extremely vulnerable in that situation, the alternative has now left the U.K. looking like a weakling who will not properly defend her troops nor fight when push comes to shove."
Think of this from the perspective of other British troops.
Think of the other British troops and sailors "on the line."
What do you think it does to their morale, to know the commanders of their fellow troops will order them to stand down and watch if they themselves are captured?
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