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To: kabar
Here is the fundamental flaw in your argument. Like most Dinocons, you assume that if attacked, people rally to their Government. That is an assumption not provable by any data. The problem with this Dinocon dogma is you all keep hoping for some sort of magic bullet that some how if you hide your head in the sand long enough some magic event will take place and fix the problem so you don't have to get your hands dirty. You people are so busy continually taking counsel of your fears, you talk yourselves into doing NOTHING about anything.

Problem is that dogma of "Do Nothing" has never ever worked. It did not defeat the Soviets, has not solved the problem in Cuba with Castro, has not caused North Korea to be one bit less bellicose and dangerous, it will not fix the problem Iran poses to world peace.

We have been sitting on our hands for 30 years waiting for the Iranian people to rise up. They aren't going to do it.

NO authoritarian government has ever been over thrown without a credible external threat actively forcing the repressive Govt to change. Without a credible external threat, the authorization Govt has no reason to ever reform their system.
436 posted on 03/25/2007 11:00:20 AM PDT by MNJohnnie (If you will try being smarter, I will try being nicer.)
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To: MNJohnnie
Here is the fundamental flaw in your argument. Like most Dinocons, you assume that if attacked, people rally to their Government. That is an assumption not provable by any data. The problem with this Dinocon dogma is you all keep hoping for some sort of magic bullet that some how if you hide your head in the sand long enough some magic event will take place and fix the problem so you don't have to get your hands dirty. You people are so busy continually taking counsel of your fears, you talk yourselves into doing NOTHING about anything.

In terms of Iran, it is based on my personal experience there 1977-79, which included the overthrow the Shah and the hijacking of the Iranian Revolution by Khomeini. Iranians like many others in the Middle/Near East are believers in conspiracies and the ability of the West to manipulate events inside their countries. An overt and unprovoked attack, in their mind, would not be helpful to the forces advocating regime change inside Iran. Unless we are prepared to overthrow the current regime using military force, we would be aiding the mullahs by staging some symbolic military attacks, especially if there is any collateral damage killing innocent civilians.

You seem to equate not initiating overt military attacks against Iran as not doing anything. That's not true. There are other options.

NO authoritarian government has ever been over thrown without a credible external threat actively forcing the repressive Govt to change. Without a credible external threat, the authorization Govt has no reason to ever reform their system.

I believe you made this fallacious assertion before. Poland, Iran, the US, Tsarist Russia, China, Cuba, France, etc. are just some examples of authoritarian regimes being overthrown internally without a credible external threat forcing that government to change. Sometimes they are replaced by another authoritarian government. You underestimate the ability of people to overthrow a regime withiout "a credible external threat."

457 posted on 03/25/2007 12:00:37 PM PDT by kabar
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