Sanger and Singer can go to hell for all I care. People here are not so much defending evolution, as they are objecting to religious dogma, myth and crank wackiness, being presented as scientific theories. You can expect the same reaction if the ID nuts ever decide to start teaching that the earth is the center of the universe or that it is only 6-10,000 years old. Or that angels--oops! I mean Invisible Agents of an Intelligent Designer, hold airplanes aloft and make them fly.
After all, it's much easier for some of our evolutionist friends here to provide intellectual affirmation to butchers than it is to do the dirty work themselves.
It's much easier for Creationists and ID dupes to try their darnedest to link a scientific theory that their interpretation of the Bible clashes with, to atrocities like the Holocaust, or outright lie and call people that are not anti-science, leftist liberals...than it is for them to do some actual research and tests and produce some papers or fossil predictions, DNA marker predictions, ANYTHING, that points to Intelligent Design being a workable theory.
Instead all they produce is whiny press release after press release and hold conference after conference.
One thing you can always count on is a leftist defending his cause by insulting the belief of his opposition.
Defend Darwinism, if you can, with proof, not insults. To me, and others like me, it takes a nut to believe that all of this happened by chance and we reach that conclusion by applying scientific facts into what you would call a belief.
...than it is for them to do some actual research and tests and produce some papers or fossil predictions, DNA marker predictions, ANYTHING, that points to Intelligent Design being a workable theory.
You assume that those of us who believe in God do so blindly and ignore science so that our beliefs wont be challenged. You assume wrong.
Darwinism is a theory at best with no scientific proof that I have ever seen other than pointing at the slow water buffalo that gets caught by a lion and calling it proof (I see it as part of God's perfect design in that the lion needed to eat, so he made slow water baffalos). You brought up the Earth's location in the universe, it is scientific fact that if this planet and all the other planets were not in the exact location that they are in then life would not be possible on Earth, the odds of that happening by chance are too incredible to even comprehend and then rationally say it is fact.
You demand proof of God, then look around, proof of God is everywhere. Show me proof that God does not exist, other than theory.
Leaving aside altogether the faux "religious" zeal of those bound and determined to evangelize all of mankind on behalf of failed preacher wannabe Darwin's antireligious fantasy that we are somehow "descended" from apes (sounds like the right direction for Darwin and those gullible enough to worship his theories and his memory although it might then be an unjustified insult to apes), conservatives need to consider the question of the fact that the primary delivery system for this nonsense is "our" TAX-FUNDED gummint skewel system. Generally incapable of curing the continued illiteracy and innumeracy of kids sooooo unfortunate as to have been abandoned to these ignorance factories, "our" gummint skewel system has decided to teach Darwinist "religion" instead.
Jefferson once observed that there was no worse tyranny than forcing a man to pay for the propagation of ideas that he despises. Assuming that Darwinian fantasy rises to the level of an "idea", Jefferson has yet one more example.
If Bend and Sisters are gummint skewels, that alone is sufficient excuse for their abolition no matter WHAT is taught as to Darwin and his curious obsessions. If Sisters is a Catholic School, the very fact that anyone teaches or administratively defends Darwinism is sufficient excuse to fire any Darwinist, and any Darwinist defender (including board members) with a public apology to the parents (consideration of tuition refunds) and to students for their exposure to Darwinism and for the obvious fraud behind the notion that the school might be regarded as Catholic.
For parents infected by Darwinism, they ought not to be sending their kids to Catholic schools. For all parents, they ought not to be sending their kids to gummint skewels because there ought not to be gummint skewels in the first place.
Let's see. It is "nuts" who advance Creationism or Intelligent Design and sober, sensible folks that believe dogmatically that their ancestors were led through the tree-tops by Tarzan (himself presumably "descended" from apes despite his fictional leadership of them) while enjoying banana buffet.
Let's compromise. If you think your ancestors were apes, that alone may be impressive proof. I am not about to be sucked in by any asserted claim of ape ancestors. I am a Catholic and we are often accused of not being "Biblical." You know what? We are separated in time from common ancestors (humans not apes) known as Adam and Eve. God said it. I believe it. For me, that settles it.
If you do not think that there were ironclad bonds between eugenics, naziism and Planned Barrenhood, you don't know your history. Sanger was purged along with her closest buddies not because the incoming purgers were not of the same beliefs but because they were less known for those beliefs. Sanger sent Lothrop Stoddard (3 Harvard history degrees and racist extraordinaire/see his The Rising Tide of Color) as her "official observer" at the nazi eugenics courts in Hitler's Germany. Stoddard wrote breathless monthly dispatches for PP's monthly rag American Birth Control Magazine describing the wondrous eugenics "progress" being achieved by Hitler killing "the unfit." The Greatest Generation fought a war to crush the monstrous nazi movement. Now their allies (nazis, communists, socialists, atheists and, of course, leftists and liberals) control the gummint skewel curricula.
I have no notion of how old the universe (and the earth for that matter) may be other than it is a lot older than 10,000 years. Bishop Ussher was wrong in this as in other things.
You may be right that creationism and intelligent design ought not be taught as "science." What is needed here is a separation of what passes for "science" from some inappropriate assumption that science is a search for truth. In our time it is often a tool for the subjugation of man under the law of man rather than under the law of God. If people wish to pursue chemistry or biology or physics or geology or whatever for their own sakes and for the practical goals to be achieved by their manipulation to produce internal combustion engines or microwave ovens or refrigeration equipment or measurement technology, no problem, and may as much truth pervade such exercises as can do so.
What we do not need is some nervy nerd in a labcoat trying to decide for the rest of us that his unbelief should be our very own in areas where he is utterly unqualified like theology or philosophy. He would need additional resume proof to fix my carburetor, my roof or a flooded basement no matter where he was "educated."
The earth is NOT the center of the universe. God never said it was. The earth is far older than Bishop Ussher imagined and, regardless of his misinterpretations and presumptions, God never said otherwise. Nonetheless, those who (deny this if I am unfair) believe that life originated not from the will and actions of God but by lightning striking some dead but high potential primordial soup and everything thereafter "evolved" by accident and not by design (if at all) are not in a position to be dismissing religion as the field of "nuts."
Louis Pasteur is regarded as a scientist by at least some folks. He said his rosary regularly.
I would pay money to see you debate Benedict XVI on God vs. science.