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To: b_sharp

["Why is requiring ID follow the same processes and conditions as every other science being a zealot?"]

What bothers you the most, is that we use the same evidence that you rely on, but come to a different conclusion. The best argument to refute creationism seems to be a slur against the creationist as a Luddite who believes the Earth is flat, and the stork brings babies. Pure genetic fallacy.

["Just as an experiment..."]

Just as an experiment, when I'm done with yours, why don't you put together a bowl of promordial soup, add whatever ingredients you think will work best, and let me know when new life forms. Tell me what you get and show me your work.


65 posted on 03/26/2007 3:17:49 AM PDT by jim35 ("...when the lion and the lamb lie down together, ...we'd better damn sure be the lion")
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To: jim35
"What bothers you the most, is that we use the same evidence that you rely on, but come to a different conclusion.

No, what bothers me the most is that creationists want to bend the evidence to fit a specific interpretation of the Bible rather than let the evidence inform the theory. The attempt to fit the evidence to the hypothesis is inherently unscientific.

When the evidence is examined in light of other known evidence and within the bounds of known physical laws it tells us what the theory should be. Theories are routinely corrected and made more accurate by new information and better testing methods. That is impossible for Creation 'Science'.

"The best argument to refute creationism seems to be a slur against the creationist as a Luddite who believes the Earth is flat, and the stork brings babies. Pure genetic fallacy.

If that is what you believe then you have not dispassionately examined the evidence and the interpretations derived from that evidence which refutes the opinions of Creation 'Scientists'.

["Just as an experiment..."]

"Just as an experiment, when I'm done with yours, why don't you put together a bowl of promordial soup, add whatever ingredients you think will work best, and let me know when new life forms. Tell me what you get and show me your work."

That is being done by a number of scientists as we speak. Let's give them time and the technology and we'll see what happens. (BTW, the conditions for life has never been supposed to be a simple bowl of primordial soup.)

Your experiment entails just a little research into what initial conditions need to been included in a probability calculation and then a little calculus. Well within your capabilities.

81 posted on 03/26/2007 12:07:30 PM PDT by b_sharp (evolution is not, generally speaking, a global optimizer, but a general satisficer -J. Wilkins)
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