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I think the first paragraph is MSM garbage, and the second paragraph is closer to the truth.

People haven't abandoned conservative values. The GOP has, and the people have left in response to this.

The GOP needs to wake up and renew itself to its core principles. Pronto.
1 posted on 03/23/2007 7:27:44 AM PDT by VictoryGal
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What's more, the survey found, public attitudes are drifting toward Democrats' values: Support for government aid to the disadvantaged has grown since the mid-1990s, skepticism about the use of military force has increased and support for traditional family values has decreased.

Sounds like wishful thinking on the part of the LAstTimes.

2 posted on 03/23/2007 7:36:08 AM PDT by NoneOfTheAbove (Economics=Reality; Politics=Fantasy; When politics meets reality, economics decides the winner)
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More pseudo information/propaganda from the La Brea Tarpits Times and the P-U research center. Including statement key to entire endeavor: "What's more, the survey found, public attitudes are drifting toward Democrats' values: Support for government aid to the disadvantaged has grown since the mid-1990s, skepticism about the use of military force has increased and support for traditional family values has decreased."

More support for welfare programs...

3 posted on 03/23/2007 7:36:11 AM PDT by 3AngelaD
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Is this a survey of REGISTERED voters or an opinion poll of adults? Most of these polls show nothing of fact, but spout opinions that the writer thinks justify his story. Did you know that 95% of demonRAT voters are dead? In a recent poll at St.Joseph's Cemetery, 100% of the demonRATs voted in the 2006 election.
4 posted on 03/23/2007 7:37:09 AM PDT by USS Alaska (Nuke the terrorist savages - In Honor of Standing Wolf)
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That's what happens when you put party over principles.


5 posted on 03/23/2007 7:38:32 AM PDT by cripplecreek (Peace without victory is a temporary illusion.)
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To: VictoryGal

Simple reason for this: Republicans haven't stood for anything, and accomplished relatively little while they were in power in Congress and the White House. They were capable of far more, but were too weak, too worried about the MSM, and too lacking in conviction and dedication to principle to acheive anything. Now, the Republicans are for the most part acting as though they are comfortable in the minority again. Why support the party? I'll support those (Republican or not) that are committed to Conservative Principles. The party can take a flying leap.


6 posted on 03/23/2007 7:38:52 AM PDT by patriot preacher (To be a good American Citizen and a Christian IS NOT a contradiction.)
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Read the full report, it is lengthy. While I agree with you that the GOP politicians in Congress failed up by porking up spending and failing to reduce the size of Government, this study goes much deeper and goes back years. It demonstrates a trend that frankly is frightening.

People's attitudes are becoming more secular, more socialistic and more favorable to the government accession of power.

I suspect that you are correct that some recent displeasure with the GOP could be reflected in this data, however, it would be a mistake to say that is the sole cause of this.

I think it could be that the left's control of education is turning out more socialists now days.
7 posted on 03/23/2007 7:39:11 AM PDT by GeorgefromGeorgia
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The GOP needs to wake up and renew itself to its core principles.

I don't even see conservatives being able to agree on their "core principles". I hardly think the GOP will be able to agree on core principles. People only left in 2006 for a variety of reasons. For every election since 2000 the GOP actually increased its numbers in elective office. This article is mostly wishful thinking.

8 posted on 03/23/2007 7:41:37 AM PDT by rhombus
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"Now, 50% of those surveyed identified with or leaned toward Democrats, whereas 35% aligned with Republicans."

Now someone here please explain to me how someone can get elected president with 35% of the votes in a general election. And remember this is the 35% who are "aligned" with Republicans, i.e. probably some independents included, to whom Republican fiscal conservatism appeals. The % of those who are solidly also social conservatives are most likely much less.

REALITY is that for ANY Republican to get elected president he MUST appeal to independents/moderates and even some Democrats.

Either nominate a Republican WHO CAN WIN -- i.e. APPEAL to a broad spectrum of voters or say hello to President Hillary.

Anyone who prefers Hillary to an imperfect Republican is either not a conservative of has his/her braincells in storage.

10 posted on 03/23/2007 7:46:43 AM PDT by FairOpinion (Victory in Iraq. Stop Hillary. Stop the Dems. Work for Republican Victory in 2008.)
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I have an idea on how the Republicans can reverse the trend.

The vast number of people in America are libertarian conservatives--limit goverment, limited government power, limited spending, reduced government regulation, lower taxes, government out of our lives. Run on that platform and then do it, and people will vote for you. Run on that platform and then do the opposite, and people will abandon the GOP.

11 posted on 03/23/2007 7:47:52 AM PDT by NoneOfTheAbove (Economics=Reality; Politics=Fantasy; When politics meets reality, economics decides the winner)
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12 posted on 03/23/2007 7:49:18 AM PDT by FairOpinion (Victory in Iraq. Stop Hillary. Stop the Dems. Work for Republican Victory in 2008.)
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Your comment is right on from my perspective. Bush is the best moderate Democrat we could elect - playing footsie with Kennedy since he arrived. Lacks the testicular fortitude to stand up to the Democrats, hangs on to failed policies viz. why didn't he send more troops to IRAQ years ago; never explains what he is doing except for illegals - there he says "it isn't practical to deport them" buy never tries and continues to allow them in while hemming and hawing - secret agreements with the president of Mexico etc etc.

If it isn't Tancredo or Newt in the primaries, I'm not voting.DO NOT TELL ME NOT VOTING IS LIKE VOTING DEMOCRAT - LOOK AT BUSH!


13 posted on 03/23/2007 7:51:11 AM PDT by Sam Ketcham (Amnesty means vote dilution, & increased taxes to bring us down to the world poverty level.)
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The left has been forecasting the doom of the right every since there was a left and right.

Hasn't happened yet.

I think the difference is that the left always identifies with the democrats. They support theirs no matter what.

The right only identifies with the Republicans when the Republicans identify with the right. We support ours only when they are right.

Ours is a more principled stand - theirs is a more powerful stand.


14 posted on 03/23/2007 7:51:24 AM PDT by Basheva
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"Kohut said the spread between the parties mostly reflected the defection of independents from the GOP more than a more favorable assessment of the Democrats. "

As I said, if Republicans won't appeal to independents, they are setting themselves up to be not only a permanent minority, but an ever shrinking minority -- ciding the leadership of the country to the Democrats entirely, for the next 50-100 years.

15 posted on 03/23/2007 7:51:27 AM PDT by FairOpinion (Victory in Iraq. Stop Hillary. Stop the Dems. Work for Republican Victory in 2008.)
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"nonpartisan Pew Research Center for the People & the Press"
yeah right


16 posted on 03/23/2007 7:51:30 AM PDT by italianquaker (Rudy Americas mayor and soon to be Americas president)
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Again , the pew institute and the Left Angles Times are parts of the leftist pr machine .
Its odd how they never have studied the even larger drop in Democrat voters ? This is more DNC propaganda meant to disillusion the RNC base. Ignore it !


17 posted on 03/23/2007 7:53:01 AM PDT by BurtSB (the price of freedom is eternal vigilance)
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Just wanted to add one more point to put the IRAQ war in perspective AND what BUSH has not stopped:
22 posted on 03/23/2007 8:00:02 AM PDT by Sam Ketcham (Amnesty means vote dilution, & increased taxes to bring us down to the world poverty level.)
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Even I believe that what I am about to say is crazy and highly unlikely. Or it should be. I've begun to believe the republican party is going to be replaced by a new party.

It's like all our worry about the country going under. If you or your leaders do all the stupidest things for long enough, there will be consequences. If countries can collapse, a political party damn well can.

24 posted on 03/23/2007 8:05:38 AM PDT by Williams
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When the GOP allows scumbags like Giuliani to run as an R, what choice do we have?


25 posted on 03/23/2007 8:06:08 AM PDT by Fierce Allegiance (There are 2 types of Rudy fans - the uninformed or anti-conservative TROLLS who do not belong on FR)
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You are correct - the first paragraph is hogwash wishful thinking on the part of the MSM.

In reality, it is those conservative value-holders that are sliding away from the left-moving Republican party.

Isn't it funny (in a sad way), how we were laughing at the apparent falling apart of the Democrat Party just a few years back - they couldn't seem to win their way out of a wet cardboard box and the bickering and cannibalism among their own was a sight to behold. Yet they stayed "true" to their causes - and continued to run the Senate, despite being in the minority. And they fueld the MSM's hatred of GW and the WOT. And they continued to spout their leftist propaganda.

At the same time, the Republican majority sat on their duffs and did nothing. The party continued to slide Left. They failed to stand up for what their supposed platform said. They would not stand up against the lies being spouted. They would not stand up for judicial nominees. They compromised at every turn (what is the point of having a majority?).

And now, the supposed front-runners for the GOP nod in '08 are pretty much all RINOs - or psychopaths (McLame). What are we to expect? The Republican party has two choices to even think about victory:

1. - The apparent thought on the mind of GOP leadership is to get a "centrist" (read that RINO) candidate that just maybe enough moderate lefties might support with Hitlery or Obama representing the FAR Left side of the Dem Party. In this scenario, the GOP thinks they can steal the election from the Democrats by taking some of their own.

2. The GOP can grow a backbone in the congress (yeah, right) and do SOMETHING. At the same time, the GOP could get behind a real candidate with real conservative values (Duncan Hunter or Fred Thompson type?) and run a REAL campaign (not a PC looser campaign like we are trying to fight wars now...).

OF course - Scenario #1 would spell the end of the Republican party. Even IF they could somehow find a way to win with that option (which I do not believe will happen. The GOP cannot win the POTUS without the conservative base), our country will be still on the express train to Hell because we will have a re-branded liberal with an "R"...

With the second option - The Republican Party would keep the conservative base, and even if they were to loose (which I think is less likely than plan 1), would at least demonstrate some sort of leadership ability and backbone - which I believe voters want.

It takes a lot more than sending 25K troops to Iraq to show backbone.


26 posted on 03/23/2007 8:13:25 AM PDT by TheBattman (I've got TWO QUESTIONS for you....)
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People are going nuts over this story, as its creators hoped they would.

I seriously question the methodology of the poll. I don't think that in just two years that much of the the population of the USA could change their core political opinions diametrically.

I call bs.


29 posted on 03/23/2007 8:20:11 AM PDT by denydenydeny ("We have always been, we are, and I hope that we always shall be detested in France"--Wellington)
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